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    Re: Do you have a conceal and carry license?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dirty Harry View Post
    All rights are limited. We elect government to decide those limitations and the supremre court decides if what they decide is constitutional. That's democracy.
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    The court, through its oipinions, sets the general and specific boundaries of rights.

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    Re: Do you have a conceal and carry license?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dirty Harry View Post
    Then I guess a sharp stick could be just as lethal as a SAW, too. Right?
    Or how about a shovel or a rock? A fryin pan? Are you trying to say that anything that can kill is just as lethal as a SAW?
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    Re: Do you have a conceal and carry license?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    Guns don't kill people, extreme blood loss and damage to internal organs kill people. Therefore, we should outlaw extreme blood loss and severe damage to internal organs. I suggest using capital punishment on anyone caught having extreme blood loss and damaged internal organs.
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    Re: Do you have a conceal and carry license?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dirty Harry View Post
    Scalia said more than that. Not only type, but how and when. Scalia made the point that the right to bear arms could be restricted. So government can make it illegal for the guy to carry an M60 machine gun on a playground even if their isn't a sign. Do you understand, yet?

    What Scalia said that restrictions on the right to bear arms can constitutionally be implemented. It can not be any clearer than that.
    The redneck M60 playground example is a straw man argument.

    An M60 is an infantry light support weapon. As such, it might be covered under the 2A, ideally.

    In the libertarian ideal of a 2A legal structure, it might be legal for the man to carry the M60 onto a playground... but he may very well have cops or armed and concerned citizens approach him and ask him "WTF are you doing bringing an M60 onto a playground?" and if he doesn't have a very reasonable answer he might be questioned further... or some armed citizen might "escort" him elsewhere.

    See, there is no context to this straw man example. WHY did he bring the M60 onto the playground? To kill children? Well, murder is illegal, isn't it?

    Is there a loaded belt hanging out of the breech? If so, he would definitely draw the intrest of cops or armed citizens. Does he point the thing at anyone? That's assault with a deadly weapon, or possibly criminal negligence. In an armed society, it would also be a good way to get killed before you could unlimber that long heavy machinegun.

    At 3', a handgun is a more effective weapon than an M60... because the M60 is too heavy and ungainly for close combat. In an armed society, people wouldn't be trembling in fear and scattering like sheep because this guy is walking around with an M60. It doesn't make him bullet proof...what it will make him is highly conspicuous.

    The original intent of the 2A was to cover all small arms and weapons suitable for militia use and other lawful purposes (sport, hunting, self-defense). Handguns, shotguns and all rifles (including selective-fire AK's, AR's, M4's) are properly covered under that definition. M60's, maybe. A .50 machinegun is a MOUNTED weapon and may arguably be beyond the defintion of small arms and light weapons appropriate to militia service; a Stinger or RPG might or might not fit the definition... it could be debated.

    Explosives are typically indiscriminate killers, and carry with them a substantial risk of accidental mass-destruction if mishandled or improperly stored... so some kind of license certifying that you are properly trained to handle same would not be too restrictive IMO. This might also apply to grenades, RPG's and Stingers, depending on exactly how you define militia small arms and light weapons.

    Context is always important. What kind of gun a man is carrying and where are not as important as what his intentions are. I would assure you that a man carrying an M60 onto a playground would attract notice even if it were legal, and some concerned (and armed) citizen is likely to ask him for an explanation at the very least.

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    Re: Do you have a conceal and carry license?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    The redneck M60 playground example is a straw man argument.

    An M60 is an infantry light support weapon. As such, it might be covered under the 2A, ideally.

    In the libertarian ideal of a 2A legal structure, it might be legal for the man to carry the M60 onto a playground... but he may very well have cops or armed and concerned citizens approach him and ask him "WTF are you doing bringing an M60 onto a playground?" and if he doesn't have a very reasonable answer he might be questioned further... or some armed citizen might "escort" him elsewhere.

    See, there is no context to this straw man example. WHY did he bring the M60 onto the playground? To kill children? Well, murder is illegal, isn't it?

    Is there a loaded belt hanging out of the breech? If so, he would definitely draw the intrest of cops or armed citizens. Does he point the thing at anyone? That's assault with a deadly weapon, or possibly criminal negligence. In an armed society, it would also be a good way to get killed before you could unlimber that long heavy machinegun.

    At 3', a handgun is a more effective weapon than an M60... because the M60 is too heavy and ungainly for close combat. In an armed society, people wouldn't be trembling in fear and scattering like sheep because this guy is walking around with an M60. It doesn't make him bullet proof...what it will make him is highly conspicuous.

    The original intent of the 2A was to cover all small arms and weapons suitable for militia use and other lawful purposes (sport, hunting, self-defense). Handguns, shotguns and all rifles (including selective-fire AK's, AR's, M4's) are properly covered under that definition. M60's, maybe. A .50 machinegun is a MOUNTED weapon and may arguably be beyond the defintion of small arms and light weapons appropriate to militia service; a Stinger or RPG might or might not fit the definition... it could be debated.

    There are some here that think it is perfectly acceptable to carry an M60 machine gun onto a playground.

    Explosives are typically indiscriminate killers, and carry with them a substantial risk of accidental mass-destruction if mishandled or improperly stored... so some kind of license certifying that you are properly trained to handle same would not be too restrictive IMO. This might also apply to grenades, RPG's and Stingers, depending on exactly how you define militia small arms and light weapons.

    Context is always important. What kind of gun a man is carrying and where are not as important as what his intentions are. I would assure you that a man carrying an M60 onto a playground would attract notice even if it were legal, and some concerned (and armed) citizen is likely to ask him for an explanation at the very least.

    There are some here that think it is perfectly acceptable to carry an M60 machine gun onto a playground and it is his constitutional right. No strawman. They actually believe it.
    My point is some common sense rules concerning firearms are neccessary in a modern society. The Supreme court agrees with me.

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    Re: Do you have a conceal and carry license?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    How is that working in Somalia?
    Are you saying that blacks shouldn't have guns?
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    Re: Do you have a conceal and carry license?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dirty Harry View Post
    Ok, are 50 cal machine guns, satchel charges, claymores, grenades, RPGs, C4, SAWs, LAWs, stingers, bazookas included?
    Yes or no?
    I could make a lot of those myself at home. Where's the law there?
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    Re: Do you have a conceal and carry license?

    Quote Originally Posted by static_engineer View Post
    I could make a lot of those myself at home. Where's the law there?
    Try it and find out.

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    Re: Do you have a conceal and carry license?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dirty Harry View Post
    There are some here that think it is perfectly acceptable to carry an M60 machine gun onto a playground and it is his constitutional right. No strawman. They actually believe it.
    My point is some common sense rules concerning firearms are neccessary in a modern society. The Supreme court agrees with me.
    As I said, the problem with your example is the lack of CONTEXT... just as the problem with "common sense restrictions" is that the phrase means wildly different things to different people.

    What if I'm carrying a holstered and concealed Glock 19 on the playground? Does that make it any better to you? I'll give you a hint: the difference in danger is less about what weapon I am packing, but rather about what my intentions are.

    If I am there playing with my child, I am packing the Glock for defensive purposes and, IMO, there is no harm/no foul, because I have no ill intentions. Before anyone starts screaming that some child could grab the gun from me and kill 17 people before I could stop him, let's note that it is in a Level II Retention Holster and as I mentioned, concealed.

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    Re: Do you have a conceal and carry license?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    As I said, the problem with your example is the lack of CONTEXT... just as the problem with "common sense restrictions" is that the phrase means wildly different things to different people.

    What if I'm carrying a holstered and concealed Glock 19 on the playground? Does that make it any better to you? I'll give you a hint: the difference in danger is less about what weapon I am packing, but rather about what my intentions are.

    If I am there playing with my child, I am packing the Glock for defensive purposes and, IMO, there is no harm/no foul, because I have no ill intentions. Before anyone starts screaming that some child could grab the gun from me and kill 17 people before I could stop him, let's note that it is in a Level II Retention Holster and as I mentioned, concealed.
    It is about the right to bear arms. It really doesn't matter what your doing or what your intentions are. Does one have the right to carry a weapon on to a playground if their are no signs.
    Intention means nothing. A guy could just be excercising his constitutional right.

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