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    Re: Do you have a conceal and carry license?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dirty Harry View Post
    And a naked guy chasing after you could be more lethal too.
    the naked guy chasing after me will most likely end up on some government list.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Do you have a conceal and carry license?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dirty Harry View Post
    Exactly. That is the job of the other branches of government to decide.
    LOL
    Its prettly clear that you're just throwing stuff against the wall to see what will stick. Keep tossing.

    As I said, and as you have yet to address:

    The right to arms is as absolute as 'free speech', in that some some weapons and some manner of their use do not fal under the right to 'keep and bear arms' in very much the same way that some forms of speech do not fall under 'free speech'.

    This is effectively the same thing that Scalia said, using different words.

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    Re: Do you have a conceal and carry license?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dirty Harry View Post
    Exactly. That is the job of the other branches of government to decide.
    So long as it does so by the rights and liberties of the individual.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Do you have a conceal and carry license?

    Guns don't kill people, extreme blood loss and damage to internal organs kill people. Therefore, we should outlaw extreme blood loss and severe damage to internal organs. I suggest using capital punishment on anyone caught having extreme blood loss and damaged internal organs.
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    Re: Do you have a conceal and carry license?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    Guns don't kill people, extreme blood loss and damage to internal organs kill people. Therefore, we should outlaw extreme blood loss and severe damage to internal organs. I suggest using capital punishment on anyone caught having extreme blood loss and damaged internal organs.
    Those so convicted also need to pay damages. All that blood is messy and takes quite a bit to clean up.

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    Re: Do you have a conceal and carry license?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    LOL
    Its prettly clear that you're just throwing stuff against the wall to see what will stick. Keep tossing.

    As I said, and as you have yet to address:

    The right to arms is as absolute as 'free speech', in that some some weapons and some manner of their use do not fal under the right to 'keep and bear arms' in very much the same way that some forms of speech do not fall under 'free speech'.

    This is effectively the same thing that Scalia said, using different words.
    Scalia said more than that. Not only type, but how and when. Scalia made the point that the right to bear arms could be restricted. So government can make it illegal for the guy to carry an M60 machine gun on a playground even if their isn't a sign. Do you understand, yet?

    What Scalia said that restrictions on the right to bear arms can constitutionally be implemented. It can not be any clearer than that.

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    Re: Do you have a conceal and carry license?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dirty Harry View Post
    What Scalia said that restrictions on the right to bear arms can constitutionally be implemented. It can not be any clearer than that.
    Nothing prevents tyranny of the courts either. The courts must abide by the rights and liberties of the individual, else they are acting unjust. Our rights are not unlimited, but the 1 limitation is that we may not infringe upon the rights of others. That's it. All rulings on exercise of rights must fall along this line.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Do you have a conceal and carry license?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Nothing prevents tyranny of the courts either. The courts must abide by the rights and liberties of the individual, else they are acting unjust. Our rights are not unlimited, but the 1 limitation is that we may not infringe upon the rights of others. That's it. All rulings on exercise of rights must fall along this line.
    All rights are limited. We elect government to decide those limitations and the supremre court decides if what they decide is constitutional. That's democracy.

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    Re: Do you have a conceal and carry license?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dirty Harry View Post
    All rights are limited. We elect government to decide those limitations and the supremre court decides if what they decide is constitutional. That's democracy.
    All rights are limited, I gave you the limitation. Democracy itself is a bad system which only encourages mob rule. Which is why we're supposed to have a Republic where the government is restricted to acting in accordance to the rights and liberties of the individual.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Do you have a conceal and carry license?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dirty Harry View Post
    Scalia said more than that. Not only type, but how and when.
    This is just sad.

    The court (not Scalia) said:
    Like most rights, the Second Amendment right is not unlimited.
    It is not a right to keep and carry any weapon whatsoever in any
    manner whatsoever and for whatever purpose
    This is a simple statemment that the right has boundaries. This is not new, as everyone knows that all rights have boundaries; things outside those boundaries do not enjoy the protection of the right.
    This is my postion, exactly.

    The court (not Scalia) then said:
    The Court’s opinion should not be taken to cast
    doubt on longstanding prohibitions on the possession of firearms by
    felons and the mentally ill, or laws forbidding the carrying of firearms
    in sensitive places such as schools and government buildings, or
    laws imposing conditions and qualifications on the commercial sale of
    arms
    This is an example of how there is a limit to the 'manner and purpose' of keeping and carrying a weapon, and how that limit is relatedto the boundary of the right itself. No one argues that these restrctions violate the right to arms as everyone agrees that these things lie outside the right.

    THEN the court (not Scalia) said:
    Miller’s holding that the sorts of weapons protected are those
    “in common use at the time” finds support in the historical tradition
    of prohibiting the carrying of dangerous and unusual weapons.
    Look! A reference to Miller! Who brought up Miller? Me!
    As per Miller....
    All classes firearns are "in common use" and "part of the regular equipment" of the standing army. This precludes the use of this decision to support the idea that some firearms can be prohibited from ownership and use by the citizenry, as ALL of them fall under the definition of "arms".

    Scalia made the point that the right to bear arms could be restricted. So government can make it illegal for the guy to carry an M60 machine gun on a playground even if their isn't a sign. Do you understand, yet?
    Yes. I understand that the decision doesn't support your position.
    What Scalia said that restrictions on the right to bear arms can constitutionally be implemented. It can not be any clearer than that.
    This interpretation is erronious.
    The court (not Scalia) said that SOME restrictions, such as those noted, that deal with things that lie outside the right to arms, do not violate the amendment, not that any every manner of restriction is allowed by the Constitution. Allowable restrictions are based on the inherent limits to the right -- just I said.

    So, the court (not Scalia) said that:
    -The right to arms is held by the individual, regardless of his relationship to the militia;
    -Restrictions that limit things that fall outside the right to arms are allowed by the Constitution.
    -Keeping and bearing of any and all classes of fireams, being 'in common use' and 'part of ordinary military equipment' are protected by the Constitution

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