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    Re: Do you have a conceal and carry license?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    So we're done with the intelligent part of the debate then. Just going into hyperbole and ridiculousness, k.
    A M60 machine gun at a playground is not ridiculous? Some here didn't see anything wrong with that as long as there was no sign.
    You see, there does have to be limits to the right to bear arms argument.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    If he asnt been convivted of a violent crime, if the gun was pruchased legally and the playground (or park or whatever) does not have a sign, then it is legal.

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    You really don't see anything wrong with a guy having an M60 machine gun on a playground?
    OK for gangbangers that haven't been convicted to carry Ak 47s?
    Last edited by Dirty Harry; 01-22-10 at 02:29 PM.

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    Re: Do you have a conceal and carry license?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dirty Harry View Post
    A M60 machine gun at a playground is not ridiculous?
    What's ridiculous with someone that can legally own a gun taking a legally purchased gun to someplace that he can legally take a gun?
    You see, there does have to be limits to the right to bear arms argument.
    Who has argued otherwise?
    All rights have a inherent limit to them; said limits define the boundaries of those rights. Things outside a paticular right do not fall under the protection affordrd to that right becasue, well, they arent part of the right.

    For isntance, the 2nd protects the right to "arms". Weapons that do not fall under the definition of "arms" are not protected by the 2nd, just as speech that does not qualify as "free speech" does not fall under protection of the 1st.

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    Re: Do you have a conceal and carry license?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post

    For isntance, the 2nd protects the right to "arms". Weapons that do not fall under the definition of "arms" are not protected by the 2nd, just as speech that does not qualify as "free speech" does not fall under protection of the 1st.
    By definition arms are weapons, weapons are arms. What weapons do not fall under the definition of arms?

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    Re: Do you have a conceal and carry license?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dirty Harry View Post
    You really don't see anything wrong with a guy having an M60 machine gun on a playground?
    The idea of law-abiding people having legal guns somewhere that they are legally able to have a gun doesnt scare me - so, no.

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    Re: Do you have a conceal and carry license?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dirty Harry View Post
    By definition arms are weapons, weapons are arms.
    By simple dictionary defintion, yes -- but not by legal defintion as described by the court in US v Miller, which superceeds any dictionary definition.

    Miller states, in effect, that for a weapon toi qualfy for protection under the sceond -- that is, to fall under the defintion of 'arms" -- it must be 'part of the ordinary military equpiment' that is 'in common use at the time' and that has some 'reasonable relationship to the efficacy of the militia'.

    As noted before, and as has been unaddressed by you, this covers any class of firearm you care to mention.

    What weapons do not fall under the definition of arms?
    See above. As stated before, whatever the upper limit, it covers all firearms.
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    Re: Do you have a conceal and carry license?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    By simple dictionary defintion, yes -- but not by legal defintion as described by the court in US v Miller, which superceeds any dictionary definition.

    Miller states, in effect, that for a weapon toi qualfy for protection under the sceond -- that is, to fall under the defintion of 'arms" -- it must be 'part of the ordinary military equpiment' that is 'in common use at the time' and that has some 'reasonable relationship to the efficacy of the militia'.

    As noted before, and as has been unaddressed by you, this covers any class of firearm you care to mention.


    See above. As stated before, whatever the upper limit, it covers all firearms.
    From your definition it covers all arms, pretty much everything the military uses. What would not qualify?

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    Re: Do you have a conceal and carry license?

    A good thing to add, in any law regarding things that could potentially be dangerous, is--"in a safe and prudent manner"
    "Don't be particular bout nothin, but the company you keep"

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    Re: Do you have a conceal and carry license?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dirty Harry View Post
    From your definition it covers all arms, pretty much everything the military uses.
    No, it does not.
    The real limit is 'the efficacy of the militia'. The militia, given its historical and legal role, has little use for many of the things the standing military uses. Tanks, aircraft, SPARTY, heavy artillery, battlefield missles, and any sort of strategic weapon would not be included.

    Essentially, if you can find it in the TO&E of a Ranger company, the 2nd covers it.

    But, as I said -- it CLEARLY covers all firearms, and as such, any discussion beyond that is meaningless.

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    Re: Do you have a conceal and carry license?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    No, it does not.
    The real limit is 'the efficacy of the militia'. The militia, given its historical and legal role, has little use for many of the things the standing military uses. Tanks, aircraft, SPARTY, heavy artillery, battlefield missles, and any sort of strategic weapon would not be included.

    Essentially, if you can find it in the TO&E of a Ranger company, the 2nd covers it.

    But, as I said -- it CLEARLY covers all firearms, and as such, any discussion beyond that is meaningless.
    Ok, are 50 cal machine guns, satchel charges, claymores, grenades, RPGs, C4, SAWs, LAWs, stingers, bazookas included?
    Yes or no?
    Last edited by Dirty Harry; 01-22-10 at 03:05 PM.

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