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  • Banning or limiting discrimination based on preexisting conditions, gender, and age

    6 21.43%
  • Ending the "lifetime maximums" on health insurance policies

    4 14.29%
  • Requiring all Americans to purchase health insurance, with exemptions for the poor

    3 10.71%
  • Increased assistance to help the poor purchase insurance plans

    9 32.14%
  • Eliminating the antitrust exemption for health insurance companies

    10 35.71%
  • Taxing some/all health insurance benefits as regular income

    4 14.29%
  • None of the above

    14 50.00%
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    Republicans/conservatives: Which of these health care reforms would you support?

    The health care reform bill, as it stands, is probably dead unless Nancy Pelosi can pull a miracle out of her ass and convince the House Democrats to approve the Senate bill. The fallback option is to break it up and pass some of the more popular provisions piecemeal. So I am curious to see which of these ideas you Republicans/conservatives might be inclined to support:

    Banning or limiting discrimination based on preexisting conditions, gender, and age
    Ending the "lifetime maximums" on health insurance policies
    Requiring all Americans to purchase health insurance, with exemptions for the poor
    Increased assistance to help the poor purchase insurance plans
    Eliminating the antitrust exemption for health insurance companies
    Taxing some/all health insurance benefits as regular income
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    Re: Republicans/conservatives: Which of these health care reforms would you support?

    I can see no authority for the Federal Government to become involved in these manners in any way, manner, shape or form. Further, I predict nothing but trouble, should they be so unwise as to continue to do so.
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    Re: Republicans/conservatives: Which of these health care reforms would you support?

    The federal government has no business in health care at all, with the sole exception of ensuring that people are not providing medical scams and claiming it actually works. I don't want to see them trying to guarantee it to everyone, it's something that everyone ought to provide for themselves.
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    Re: Republicans/conservatives: Which of these health care reforms would you support?

    Quote Originally Posted by Oftencold View Post
    I can see no authority for the Federal Government to become involved in these manners in any way, manner, shape or form. Further, I predict nothing but trouble, should they be so unwise as to continue to do so.
    So do you think the current health care system is perfect? Or do you support changing it in some way? If so, how would you change it? Please be more specific than "Deregulate" or "Get the government out of the way."

    Eliminating the antitrust exemption for health insurance companies
    Taxing some/all health insurance benefits as regular income
    These two things would actually reduce the scope of government by ending unfair subsidies to health insurance corporations, so why are you opposed to them?
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    Re: Republicans/conservatives: Which of these health care reforms would you support?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    So do you think the current health care system is perfect? Or do you support changing it in some way? If so, how would you change it? Please be more specific than "Deregulate" or "Get the government out of the way."
    First let me tell you something that the Pols won't though it is just as true for them: I'm not qualified to "fix" the system. I'm not even qualified to say how it's flawed in any capacity as an overseer of it.

    That said, health care can not possibly be a right unless slavery is a right too. This is because health care requires the actions of others to be performed.

    If a Government declares that health care is a right, and medical personnel refuse to perform the tasks needed to provide it, the government would be forced to compel their actions. This is slavery.

    And this scenario is not too hard to envision either. Imagine a major influenza outbreak during a time in which there was already a shortage of medical personnel, and pay disputes. It is easily to picture a work slowdown, or even strike at such a time.

    Since in our thought experiment, health care has been determined to be a right, the government would be compelled to use delay force to ensure its delivery. Too bad for the medical workers.

    Health care is a commercial and social enterprise, and social and commercial institutions will have to evolve to expand its delivery. In other words, people will have to be convinced, paid, cajoled, compensated and inspired to deliver it and to insure its continued improvement.

    Myself, I have far more faith in convincing the fortunate to aid the unfortunate, than in forcing them.

    This could be a slow, and certainly will be a messy process. But if you accept that people are not property, and are self responsible, its your only viable avenue for progress.

    Of course, the Left increasingly has contempt for liberty and self determination, so some people will see this differently. I hope that if they are successful, they are the first to be compelled to give care at gunpoint.
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    Re: Republicans/conservatives: Which of these health care reforms would you support?

    Quote Originally Posted by Oftencold View Post
    I can see no authority for the Federal Government to become involved in these manners in any way, manner, shape or form. Further, I predict nothing but trouble, should they be so unwise as to continue to do so.
    That's interesting. Do you feel that way about other issues that the Federal Government is heavily involved in? Or are you a "selective" conservative like so many others?
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    Re: Republicans/conservatives: Which of these health care reforms would you support?

    Quote Originally Posted by Oftencold View Post
    First let me tell you something that the Pols won't though it is just as true for them: I'm not qualified to "fix" the system. I'm not even qualified to say how it's flawed in any capacity as an overseer of it.
    Then since you aren't qualified to have an opinion on the subject by your own admission, why did you bother to vote in the poll and post in the thread?

    Quote Originally Posted by Oftencold
    That said, health care can not possibly be a right unless slavery is a right too. This is because health care requires the actions of others to be performed.

    If a Government declares that health care is a right, and medical personnel refuse to perform the tasks needed to provide it, the government would be forced to compel their actions. This is slavery.
    I didn't say anything about health care being a "right" (whatever that means) anywhere in this thread. I just asked you which of those policies you'd support, and why. Specifically, what exactly is your problem with the two that actually REDUCE the role of government by eliminating a corporate subsidy to the health insurance industry?
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    Re: Republicans/conservatives: Which of these health care reforms would you support?

    Quote Originally Posted by Oftencold View Post
    That said, health care can not possibly be a right unless slavery is a right too. This is because health care requires the actions of others to be performed.
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    Re: Republicans/conservatives: Which of these health care reforms would you support?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    So do you think the current health care system is perfect? Or do you support changing it in some way? If so, how would you change it? Please be more specific than "Deregulate" or "Get the government out of the way."
    It definitely needs reforming, but what is being proposed in DC will only make costs, over time, sky-rocket even more, and add exponentially to the growing deficit.

    If I were the king of the health care debate, and had sole decision-making power, I would:

    Get rid of HMO and PPO mandates, and offer catastrophic coverage.
    Stop coverage for medications and Dr's office visits.
    Require that fees charged by all medical providers were posted for puclic knowledge.
    TORT reform.

    That would just be for starters.

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    Re: Republicans/conservatives: Which of these health care reforms would you support?

    I'm not sure what is meant by ending "discrimination" based on age, preexisting conditions, etc....

    Insurance, by definition, is the transfer of risk. If a segment of a population increases the risk an insurance company must assume(be it by old age, pre-existing conditions etc...) then the insurance company must be able to(in order to stay in business and employ people) recoup those losses through increased premium rates. Also, removing lifetime limits on insurance policies is a bad idea, because you have essentially turned the risk into an infinite risk. How do you charge for the transfer of risk that has no ceiling or limit? By charging an infinite amount? Even the combined power of Bush and Obama couldn't print that much money(although Chuck Norris has done it.....twice.)

    I might go along with a provision that makes it illegal for insurance companies to drop somebody when they develop a disease(its actually illegal to terminate mid policy-term already, I'm talking at renewal). But it would entail a couple of provisions like once the maximum limit of the policy is reached, the contract is expired(as it normally is) and that insurance companies be able to charge a reflective premium amount for the new amount of risk they are assuming. Also, I would rather this "provision" be handled at the state levels, and not by federal mandate.
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