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    Re: Do You Think Drug Addicts Are Criminals?

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    depends on the drug, if they're addicted to tobacco or alcohol, then they're not criminals, if they're addicted to heroin or cocaine, then they're criminals 'cause its illegal to posses said drugs
    In reality, that does not make the drug use a criminal. The approach is too simplistic for a complex problem.
    Man is overly rebellious..and too militaristic. A different approach must be used to prevent the initial use of drugs....an appeal to one intellect..One can say that druggies are just plain stupid, but what good does that do ?

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    Re: Do You Think Drug Addicts Are Criminals?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    Doesn't that standard basically mean the vast majority of people over the age of 18 are criminals?
    I don't know, are you asserting that the vast majority of people over the age of 18 use illegal drugs?
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    Re: Do You Think Drug Addicts Are Criminals?

    The act of addiction itself isn't a crime, so no. If they are breaking the law to feed that addiction, then they need to be tried in court.

    If they are found guilty in court then they are criminals. Until then, they are innocent.

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    Re: Do You Think Drug Addicts Are Criminals?

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    I was SO right there with you til the "Drug addicts are forced into their criminality to feed their addiction" part.
    I second guessed my word choice after I posted, forced is an overstatement, this would be more accurate:

    "Drug addicts are driven into their criminality to feed their addiction"

    If you talk to an addict, I am sure they would be more in agreement with the usage of the word force, since addiction can be all consuming, and many an addict feels as if they have no control if whether or not they use.

    It is this mindset that needs to be overcame to break the addiction, and convuluting the mental and physical problems of addiction with a criminal problem does not help to break the addicts mindset of "forced" feeding of their addiction.

    It is easy to brush off the realities of addiction when you are on the outside looking in.
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    Re: Do You Think Drug Addicts Are Criminals?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    I don't know, are you asserting that the vast majority of people over the age of 18 use illegal drugs?
    No, I'm asserting that the vast majority of people over 18 do things that are illegal.
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    Re: Do You Think Drug Addicts Are Criminals?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    No, I'm asserting that the vast majority of people over 18 do things that are illegal.
    such as these big stumbling blocks for I and my fellow Floridians:

    798.01 Living in open adultery.--Whoever lives in an open state of adultery shall be guilty of a misdemeanor of the second degree
    798.02 Lewd and lascivious behavior.--If any man and woman, not being married to each other, lewdly and lasciviously associate and cohabit together, or if any man or woman, married or unmarried, engages in open and gross lewdness and lascivious behavior, they shall be guilty of a misdemeanor of the second degree
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    So many criminals, myself included.

    We need a follow up thread now asking:

    "Are non-monogamous sexually active adults criminals?"

    or for the sake of singling out a portion of the whole we could follow the example of this thread:

    "Are sex addicts criminals?"

    I think I just proved that a multitude of them are.. at least in Florida, and by the conditions outlined in the law and this thread.
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    Re: Do You Think Drug Addicts Are Criminals?

    Quote Originally Posted by marduc View Post
    such as these big stumbling blocks for I and my fellow Floridians:





    Statutes & Constitution :View Statutes :->2009->Chapter 798 : flsenate.gov

    So many criminals, myself included.

    We need a follow up thread now asking:

    "Are non-monogamous sexually active adults criminals?"

    or for the sake of singling out a portion of the whole we could follow the example of this thread:

    "Are sex addicts criminals?"
    I'd be surprised to find someone in any state who doesn't perform some illegal act on a weekly or even daily basis.
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    Re: Do You Think Drug Addicts Are Criminals?

    Quote Originally Posted by marduc View Post
    I second guessed my word choice after I posted, forced is an overstatement, this would be more accurate:

    "Drug addicts are driven into their criminality to feed their addiction"

    If you talk to an addict, I am sure they would be more in agreement with the usage of the word force, since addiction can be all consuming, and many an addict feels as if they have no control if whether or not they use.

    It is this mindset that needs to be overcame to break the addiction, and convuluting the mental and physical problems of addiction with a criminal problem does not help to break the addicts mindset of "forced" feeding of their addiction.

    It is easy to brush off the realities of addiction when you are on the outside looking in.
    been on both sides...treated both sides...and I agree...driven would be a better choice.

    Addiction isnt the problem for the addict...its a SYMPTOM of the problem. Unfortunately we spend LOTS of money treating the symptom. Cant hardly blame the addict for feeling they have no control...thats the message the psych and med community have been feeding them for 30 years. Thats also why we have a +70% recidivism rate.

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    Re: Do You Think Drug Addicts Are Criminals?

    I am assuming you meant users of illegal drugs. Anally speaking, they break the criminal law when possessing and using, so yes they are criminals.

    However, I answered NO. The reason is that I took your question to be a moral/ethical question and not a legal question. What exactly is criminal about being addicted to, possessing and using illicit drugs? I am ignoring crimes committed to get the next fix for many hardcore addicts of meth, heroin, crack. How in hell did they become illegal? Scare tactics? Racially motivated?

    There is no criminal act. A drug user is not harming anyone by his behavior. Life and limb is not taken, damaged or threatened. Property is not taken or destroyed. A drug user is not a criminal. A drug user has a health problem.

    Some of these health problems are benign, like with users of marijuana and LSD and psilocybin. Others are more serious, like with meth, heroin and crack. Those benign health risks should have possession and use of the drugs made legal, taxed and regulated. Those more serious health risks should be decriminalized and treated.

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    Re: Do You Think Drug Addicts Are Criminals?

    Quote Originally Posted by marduc View Post
    such as these big stumbling blocks for I and my fellow Floridians:
    The real criminals are those lawmakers who allow such silly rules to stay on the books. They are paid and paid well to do a job.





    Statutes & Constitution :View Statutes :->2009->Chapter 798 : flsenate.gov

    So many criminals, myself included.

    We need a follow up thread now asking:

    "Are non-monogamous sexually active adults criminals?"

    or for the sake of singling out a portion of the whole we could follow the example of this thread:

    "Are sex addicts criminals?"

    I think I just proved that a multitude of them are.. at least in Florida, and by the conditions outlined in the law and this thread.
    The real criminals are those lawmakers who allow such silly rules to stay on the books. They are paid and paid well to do a job.

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