View Poll Results: Should someone not be allowed to serve on a jury based on beliefs,race or ethnicity?

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  • Yes they should allow a potential juror to be excluded due to race

    2 8.70%
  • No a potential juror should not be excluded due to race

    15 65.22%
  • Yes they should allow a potential juror to be excluded due to ethnicity

    2 8.70%
  • No a potentiickeal juror should not be excluded due to ethnicity

    15 65.22%
  • Yes they should allow a potential juror to be excluded due to beliefs

    14 60.87%
  • No a potential juror should not be excluded due to beliefs

    6 26.09%
  • other

    4 17.39%
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    Re: Should someone not be allowed to serve on a jury based on beliefs,race or ethnici

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    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    and white presidential candidates had historically received 100% of the white vote
    First, I'd say 100% is inaccurate....
    Secondly, Obama was the first viable black candidate ever put on the presidential ballot by a major party, so there really aren't any stats to compare it with..........


    your turn to contribute something else that will be found meaningless
    Thank you for bolstering my point, race can & often is, a cause of bias, from either side, with regard to jurors, I believe my statement has value........

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    Re: Should someone not be allowed to serve on a jury based on beliefs,race or ethnici

    Quote Originally Posted by Partisan View Post
    That's why Obama got 90% of the black vote.....
    Hey, you're right. We shouldn't allow blacks to serve on juries at all. They're obviously biased.

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    Re: Should someone not be allowed to serve on a jury based on beliefs,race or ethnici

    Jurors should not be allowed to be excluded based on race or ethnicity, since those things would not effect their impartiality. If a juror's beliefs would affect their ability to be impartial, then they should be excluded for that.
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    Re: Should someone not be allowed to serve on a jury based on beliefs,race or ethnici

    Quote Originally Posted by Partisan View Post
    That's why Obama got 90% of the black vote.....
    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    It probably had soemthing to do with the fact that 90% of Blacks are Democrats.

    Younger Blacks Tell Democrats to Take Notice - NYTimes.com
    Both of which are irrelevant to the question of how a black juror would act.

    As someone who has spoken to multiple jury consultants about this exact issue, I can tell you that black jurors are generally pro-defendant, regardless of the race of the accused.
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    Re: Should someone not be allowed to serve on a jury based on beliefs,race or ethnici

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    Both of which are irrelevant to the question of how a black juror would act.

    As someone who has spoken to multiple jury consultants about this exact issue, I can tell you that black jurors are generally pro-defendant, regardless of the race of the accused.
    So experts agree they are biased.....
    Thanks!.......

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    Re: Should someone not be allowed to serve on a jury based on beliefs,race or ethnici

    Quote Originally Posted by Partisan View Post
    So experts agree they are biased.....
    Thanks!.......
    They're "biased" just like everyone else.

    Pro-prosecutor:

    Men
    White/Asian
    Self-employed
    Married
    Old/Yuppies

    Pro-defendant:

    Women
    Hispanic/Black
    Un/under-employed
    Divorced/Separated
    Young, except for yuppies

    I'm really getting sick of your racist bull****.
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    Re: Should someone not be allowed to serve on a jury based on beliefs,race or ethnici

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    They're "biased" just like everyone else.

    Pro-prosecutor:

    Men
    White/Asian
    Self-employed
    Married
    Old/Yuppies

    Pro-defendant:

    Women
    Hispanic/Black
    Un/under-employed
    Divorced/Separated
    Young, except for yuppies

    I'm really getting sick of your racist bull****.
    You were informative until your unneccessary comment....
    Just because you find certain things unpalatable does not make them irrelevant....
    I put some facts up, & sorry if you don't like it......
    My soloution would to be a random draw of jurists, with no exclusions, whoever you draw, you get, end of story......
    Last edited by Partisan; 01-17-10 at 07:35 PM.

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    Re: Should someone not be allowed to serve on a jury based on beliefs,race or ethnici

    Quote Originally Posted by Partisan View Post
    My soloution would to be a random draw of jurists, with no exclusions, whoever you draw, you get, end of story......
    Which would be an awful solution, or more accurately an even worse outcome.

    For instance, in a trial against a drug company, would you want to exclude people who have had a history of problems with that company to get a fair trial?

    Normal people would say including peoples with personal biases against specific firms in a jury is going to result in a less then fair trial. Or say that a juror underwent the same incident, such as suing the state? How fair could they be?

    And your "solution" does not eliminate jurors who have personal connections to either party. How one could ever get a fair trial when there are personal ties between the jury and the defendant/plaintiff is beyond the realm of reasonable conclusions.

    To produce a fair jury trial, you eliminate jurors who have biases either way. Your "solution" does not allow that.
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    Re: Should someone not be allowed to serve on a jury based on beliefs,race or ethnici

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    It probably had soemthing to do with the fact that 90% of Blacks are Democrats.

    Younger Blacks Tell Democrats to Take Notice - NYTimes.com
    Stop bring up facts.
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    Re: Should someone not be allowed to serve on a jury based on beliefs,race or ethnici

    Quote Originally Posted by Partisan View Post
    You were informative until your unneccessary comment....
    Just because you find certain things unpalatable does not make them irrelevant....
    I put some facts up, & sorry if you don't like it......
    My soloution would to be a random draw of jurists, with no exclusions, whoever you draw, you get, end of story......
    The problem with your racism is that you do such a ****ty job at concealing it that it is an insult to the intelligence of both white and black people with an IQ above 100.
    Last edited by Hatuey; 01-17-10 at 10:48 PM.
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