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Should firearm use and safety be a required subject in school?

Should firearm use and safety be a required subject in school?


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Well right now we're talking about high school level how-to, including handling, cleaning, loading, shooting, watching background, etc.

Yeah you need a firearm on hand for that.
You'd need an actual firearm for actual shooting. Anything else can be handled with a proxy.

As for K-8, I agree you wouldn't, but neither would you need a firearms instructor, either. K-8 firearms safety might be a chapter in a general health program. If Boby has a cut, don't touch it, go tell an adult. If you see a gun, don't touch it, go tell an adult.
Right.
 
Who pays for it?

I would think gun manufacturers may want to contribute to this program as it will possibly provide future customers. At least they could donate arms.
Still think the best avenue would be through the NRA's program.
 
I would think gun manufacturers may want to contribute to this program as it will possibly provide future customers. At least they could donate arms.
Still think the best avenue would be through the NRA's program.

I'll support that idea if you're ready for the left to start crying about evil gun corporations pre-programing children with product placement ;)
 
How do you think it would be received best? As skeet shooting, hunting, marksmanship? Perhaps trick shooting?

The most popular course would probably be the urban law enforcement course where the student has to shoot pop-up targets of the citizens and criminals.
 
I would think gun manufacturers may want to contribute to this program as it will possibly provide future customers. At least they could donate arms.
Still think the best avenue would be through the NRA's program.
I have no issue whatsoever with incorporating the various NRA programs into the public school curriculum. This would be my preferred approach, and is virtually impossible to argue against.
 
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I'll support that idea if you're ready for the left to start crying about evil gun corporations pre-programing children with product placement ;)

or the right to start crying that they're teaching young arab kids who could be terrorists how to shoot
 
No.

A locked gun is an inaccessible gun.

An inaccessible gun is a useless gun.

And a useless gun doesn't enhance anyone's safety but the criminal invading your house.

A gun lock should never be more than an option.

Options.

That's what freedom is about.


Generally speaking, my carry gun is almost always on me.

When I go to bed, I have a pistol sitting close by for immediate use with a couple spare mags, in case of unexpected company.

The rest of my guns stay locked in my gun cabinet when not in use. They are loaded and I do not use "trigger locks". This was my methodology since my son was 2 years old, along with (as mentioned) demonstrations and training in safety and handling. Worked fine, never had any problems.

I like keeping my guns, other than my carry gun, locked in the cabinet because 1. if someone breaks in while I'm gone, they may not be able to break open the cabinet and steal my guns in the timeframe they want to get in and out...and 2. I trust my son; his teenage friends that visit, not so much.

The gun cabinet, by the way, sits by the bed and has a special combination lock on it I can open in less than five seconds...just in case some "bump in the night" makes me feel the need for more firepower than just a handgun.

(If you think you wouldn't have five seconds lead time, you need to reinforce your doors and/or windows...)
 
Generally speaking, my carry gun is almost always on me.

When I go to bed, I have a pistol sitting close by for immediate use with a couple spare mags, in case of unexpected company.

The rest of my guns stay locked in my gun cabinet when not in use. They are loaded and I do not use "trigger locks". This was my methodology since my son was 2 years old, along with (as mentioned) demonstrations and training in safety and handling. Worked fine, never had any problems.

I like keeping my guns, other than my carry gun, locked in the cabinet because 1. if someone breaks in while I'm gone, they may not be able to break open the cabinet and steal my guns in the timeframe they want to get in and out...and 2. I trust my son; his teenage friends that visit, not so much.

The gun cabinet, by the way, sits by the bed and has a special combination lock on it I can open in less than five seconds...just in case some "bump in the night" makes me feel the need for more firepower than just a handgun.

(If you think you wouldn't have five seconds lead time, you need to reinforce your doors and/or windows...)

that sounds like its bordering on paranoia
 
that sounds like its bordering on paranoia

If you've seen the aftermath of a couple of bad home invasions you might think I'm not paranoid enough. :mrgreen:


If you prefer to trust in luck, then good luck to you.

I also keep a fire extinguisher next to the bed... is that also paranoia?
 
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To show how out of touch I am. I just found out that in Texas we can legally carry a pistol in our cars, as long as it is out of sight. This has been on the books since 2007.-Ha, nobody bothered to call and tell me. :mrgreen:
 
Absolutely not. When all public schools start requiring driver's education as they once did then maybe. But gun safety is best left to parents and it is certainly way down on the list of what government schools should be concerned about. Except maybe DC and NY city schools where packing a gun is a requirement. :lol:
 
Absolutely not. When all public schools start requiring driver's education as they once did then maybe. But gun safety is best left to parents and it is certainly way down on the list of what government schools should be concerned about. Except maybe DC and NY city schools where packing a gun is a requirement. :lol:

Driving isn't a right.
 
that sounds like its bordering on paranoia
Ah yes...
Crime -is- so bad that we need more and more and more gun control, but NOT so bad that you do not need a gun for self-defense, and if you have one, you're paranoid.
 
In the past, when I had guns,--I would have neighbors tell me they were glad I had them, cause they didn't want them in their homes. They expected me to protect them, since I was a gun owner already, and doomed to go to Hell. So I had nothing to loose. --I got rid of my guns soon after that.
 
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In the past, when I had guns,--I would have neighbors tell me they were glad I had them, cause they didn't want them in their homes. They expected me to protect them, since I was a gun owner already, and doomed to go to Hell. So I had nothing to loose. --I got rid of my guns soon after that.


Did they actually tell you that, or are you engaging in hyperbole to make a point?

I live in a rural area in the South. Probably over 80% of my neighbors have guns. My preacher got a snubnose revolver as a birthday present from the Deacon board, and brought it to church Sunday morning to show it to the congregation. My church also hosted a concealed-weapons-permit class in the Fellowship building one year to make it convenient for any members who wanted to get their carry permits. Members with permits are allowed to carry on church grounds and into the sanctuary... we take Luke 22:36 rather literally. :mrgreen:

Police response time in my area can be anything from a few minutes to most of an hour, depending on where the nearest cruiser is at the moment. People around here arm themselves first, when they suspect trouble, then call 911.

My state has castle law and no duty to retreat, "shall issue" CCW and strong self-defense precedents, and anyone not a felon can keep a loaded gun in the glovebox or trunk, locked or unlocked as you please.

This is what I grew up with, for the most part...it is normal to me. I have lived elsewhere, in other states... it is not an accident that I came back to SC to settle down. Most people around here are polite, friendly and helpful... aside from the nearby Interstate highway, you pretty much have to go into the city to encounter serious criminal activity.

I'll take it over what I've seen in big cities with draconian gun control anytime, thanks.
 
Absolutely not. When all public schools start requiring driver's education as they once did then maybe. But gun safety is best left to parents and it is certainly way down on the list of what government schools should be concerned about. Except maybe DC and NY city schools where packing a gun is a requirement. :lol:

I see.

SEX! That has to be taught by professionals. After all, everyone is equipped by nature to have sex and the preservation of the species is just too damn important to be left in the hands of rank amatoooors.

Guns are just mechanical manufactured things that fling bullets and just anyone can teach a child gun safety. Hell, the kid can pick up a gun and learn how to be safe with it eventually.

It's kinda rough on his friends, but what the hell, at least they won't die of AIDS.

Of course. Makes perfect sense....to someone.
 
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In the past, when I had guns,--I would have neighbors tell me they were glad I had them, cause they didn't want them in their homes. They expected me to protect them, since I was a gun owner already, and doomed to go to Hell. So I had nothing to loose. --I got rid of my guns soon after that.

All you had to do was stop telling your neighbors you had them.
 
I think it's hilarious that some of the people who shriek the loudest against the idea of forcing people to take a gun safety class before buying a gun (ZOMG COMMON SENSE WOULD BE FASCIST LOL) are the same people who actually want to force EVERYONE to take a gun safety class, even if they have no guns in their house and have no desire to own a gun. :lol:
 
I think it's hilarious that some of the people who shriek the loudest against the idea of forcing people to take a gun safety class before buying a gun (ZOMG COMMON SENSE WOULD BE FASCIST LOL) are the same people who actually want to force EVERYONE to take a gun safety class, even if they have no guns in their house and have no desire to own a gun. :lol:


This has already been discussed in detail; did you read the thread?

Some of us have reservations about allowing the gov't to impose a standard on a right, which they are then free to raise until no one can pass it. This has been/is done in states with "discretionary" carry permit laws, to effectively ban carry except for the politically connected.

I came out against mandatory gun classes when all was said and done; I don't think the gov't would do it right and I think too many people would be opposed.
 
This has already been discussed in detail; did you read the thread?

Only the parts that interested me. I tend to ignore the turds from Scarecrow as much as I can.

Goshin said:
Some of us have reservations about allowing the gov't to impose a standard on a right, which they are then free to raise until no one can pass it. This has been/is done in states with "discretionary" carry permit laws, to effectively ban carry except for the politically connected.

Well then the problem lies with those laws that constitute an unreasonable standard; not the reasonable standard from whence they came. Anyone who supports mandatory classes obviously thinks that gun safety is a worthwhile subject for people to know, and has no problem imposing that view on them. The only real difference between them and me is that they want to bray about guns to people who don't care, instead of people who do.

Goshin said:
I came out against mandatory gun classes when all was said and done; I don't think the gov't would do it right and I think too many people would be opposed.

Then we are in agreement. :confused:
 
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