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    Re: Should firearm use and safety be a required subject in school?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    How do you think it would be received best? As skeet shooting, hunting, marksmanship? Perhaps trick shooting?
    Trick shooting ooh i choose that one!

    Skeet is probably more standard and the easiest logistically to teach.

    I'd rather they forced martial arts on students, though. Heheh.

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    Re: Should firearm use and safety be a required subject in school?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    You say that as if the concept is something new.




    I would have to question that statement. In my early 20's I lived in a fairly large city... and let me tell you, I was VERY glad to be armed and it had nothing to do with Bambi for supper!
    Well then I would totally support YOU getting firearm safety training before getting a gun...but you're in the minority in most large cities. Most urbanites don't have guns, and therefore there's not really any reason to make ALL students take a class on it.
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    Re: Should firearm use and safety be a required subject in school?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    When the agenda is to have citizens safely using firearms, what kind of response do you want?
    If you read his post, you'll see that that isn't his agenda at all. It's to be able to argue more effectively against gun control advocates. I'm highly skeptical of any argument along the lines of "We should implement Policy X so that critics of my agenda will no longer have Argument Y." That's fine if it's merely incidental to some actual benefit from Policy X, but he framed it as the main reason to teach everyone about gun safety.

    In a lot of cities, the gun ownership rate is maybe 5-10% or less. Seems rather silly to make EVERYONE take a class on gun safety when most kids will grow up in homes without guns.
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    Re: Should firearm use and safety be a required subject in school?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    What's wrong with teaching Hand to Hand in school? If the little suckers learned to defend themselves, the girls especially, they might be a little safer in a dangerous world.

    Boxing used to be part of many school curriculums. Curriculi?
    That is the parents job to do. More and more things are being taken away from the parent and that is in essence making parenting a lazy position to be in for those that wish to take advantage of it. Too many are expecting the government to teach their children anything and everything.

    Instead of costing taxpayers more money why not hold parents accountable for anything that may happen? Little Tommy shoots Little Timmy? Parents are sent to jail for 6 months and must pay funeral/medical costs plus $25,000. Plus charge them for taking care of thier kids while they are in jail.

    It is the parents responsibility. Not the taxpayers responsibility.
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    Re: Should firearm use and safety be a required subject in school?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Should firearm use and safety be a required subject in school?


    I think it would be a good idea. It should be a required subject just like math, English/grammar,science or some other subject is required. There could be different classes that taught safety(which could be taught with dummy weapons) ,how to aim (which could be taught with dummy weapons) and shooting practice(at first with pellet or paint ball and then maybe something with rubber bullets or other training rounds) and more advance extra curricular classes on reflexive/point fire.
    if they teach kids how to use a "gun" they should be taught how to use a rifle

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    Re: Should firearm use and safety be a required subject in school?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    That is the parents job to do. More and more things are being taken away from the parent and that is in essence making parenting a lazy position to be in for those that wish to take advantage of it. Too many are expecting the government to teach their children anything and everything.

    Instead of costing taxpayers more money why not hold parents accountable for anything that may happen? Little Tommy shoots Little Timmy? Parents are sent to jail for 6 months and must pay funeral/medical costs plus $25,000. Plus charge them for taking care of thier kids while they are in jail.

    It is the parents responsibility. Not the taxpayers responsibility.
    Ah, you've pulled up several of my favorite arguments...parent's rights, personal responsibility, and taxes. You do realize that the argument you're making could be turned against the whole public school system, right? It's taxpayer funded but not really under parental control, and half of the stuff they spend money on has nothing to do with real education. Your argument could certainly be turned against all school sports programs that cost taxpayer dollars... shouldn't it be the parent's responsibility?

    (shrug) I don't know. If we're going to have a taxpayer-funded public school system it might be nice for the students to learn a few things that are practical in the real world... a little self-defense training would not, imo, hurt anything...along with learning to change a tire, check your oil and balance a checkbook.

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    Re: Should firearm use and safety be a required subject in school?

    Quote Originally Posted by molten_dragon View Post
    Yes, it should be offered as a class in school, and you shouldn't be allowed to buy a gun unles you've passed.
    This would be my position. Required... certainly the safety aspect, and you cannot buy a gun without the certificate that you passed.
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    Re: Should firearm use and safety be a required subject in school?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Well then I would totally support YOU getting firearm safety training before getting a gun...but you're in the minority in most large cities. Most urbanites don't have guns, and therefore there's not really any reason to make ALL students take a class on it.
    To present the counterargument, I give you this Geek analysis:


    In an attempt not to derail Colleen's RSP'er of the next couple of days, here's a place for discussion about gun ownership, gun use, gun suicide, and gun homicide.

    It is well-known that the rate of gun ownership in rural areas is higher than gun ownership in urban areas. A recent article by DuRant et al. (2007) in the Journal of Pediatrics showed that the rates were 34.4% of households in rural areas and 19.6% of households in urban areas.

    However, when we look in terms of actual number of people who are in contact with a gun, then we see that the raw numbers indicate that many more people in urban areas are in contact with fire arms. Using the census data from 2000 ( U.S. Population Living in Urban vs. Rural Areas - Census 2000 Population Statistics - Census Issues - Planning - HEP - FHWA)

    Rural Population : 59,274,456
    Urban Population : 225,956,060

    Multiplying by their respective percentages we get

    Rural x Gun Ownership Rate = (59,274,456) x .344 = 20,390,412
    Urban x Gun Ownership Rate = (225,956,060) x .196 = 44,287,397

    Assuming equal household sizes, about 2 times the number of people are in contact with guns in urban areas than rural areas.

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    Re: Should firearm use and safety be a required subject in school?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    This would be my position. Required... certainly the safety aspect, and you cannot buy a gun without the certificate that you passed.

    I wouldn't mind that so much, as I've said, if I didn't suspect that anti-gun elements in gov't might use the precedent to "raise the bar" to the point that no one could pass the class.

    Similar methods have been used by states with "discretionary issue" carry permits, to effectively deny permits to anyone who isn't golf buddies with a Kennedy.

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    Re: Should firearm use and safety be a required subject in school?

    Since we have so many guns in our society, it should at least be offered, if not required. Since DARE is required for all 5th graders, maybe they could incorporate gun safety into that.





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