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    Re: Sarcasum font!

    I think the following smilies are acceptable as a way to indicate sarcasm.
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    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Sarcasum font!

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    I think the following smilies are acceptable as a way to indicate sarcasm.
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    Nah, sarcasm is meant to be dry and cutting, not especially humorous. Putting smilies alongside sarcastic comments would take too much of the edge off in my view.
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    Re: Sarcasum font!

    I think, in general, sarcasm should not be used. Irony is much wittier, but it requires recognition of the form, and sufficient intelligence on the part of the employer as well as the reader. It loses its impact if it needs to be followed by a stock identifier.

    To use a crude and altogether too obvious example: Americans are generally staunch Monarchists. This is not sarcasm, which is defined as a sneering or cutting remark designed to wound, but irony. Irony is defined as the expression of one's meaning by using language that normally signifies the opposite, typically for humorous or emphatic effect. Socratic irony is defined as a literary technique, originally used in Greek tragedy, by which the full significance of a character's words or actions are clear to the audience or reader although unknown to the character. An ironic statement must always be delivered with a straight face, and/or without any written identifier.

    And this is a forum, the stock in trade of which is language. Anyone with an insufficient grasp of the language should perhaps look elsewhere to express himself. Of course the primary purpose of language is to convey facts and concepts, but it gains a great deal from being expressive, amusing, and elegant as well.

    As Doctor Johnson put it: What is written without effort, is in general, read without pleasure.

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    Re: Sarcasum font!

    Quote Originally Posted by Leo View Post
    I think, in general, sarcasm should not be used. Irony is much wittier, but it requires recognition of the form, and sufficient intelligence on the part of the employer as well as the reader. It loses its impact if it needs to be followed by a stock identifier.

    To use a crude and altogether too obvious example: Americans are generally staunch Monarchists. This is not sarcasm, which is defined as a sneering or cutting remark designed to wound, but irony. Irony is defined as the expression of one's meaning by using language that normally signifies the opposite, typically for humorous or emphatic effect. Socratic irony is defined as a literary technique, originally used in Greek tragedy, by which the full significance of a character's words or actions are clear to the audience or reader although unknown to the character. An ironic statement must always be delivered with a straight face, and/or without any written identifier.

    And this is a forum, the stock in trade of which is language. Anyone with an insufficient grasp of the language should perhaps look elsewhere to express himself. Of course the primary purpose of language is to convey facts and concepts, but it gains a great deal from being expressive, amusing, and elegant as well.

    As Doctor Johnson put it: What is written without effort, is in general, read without pleasure.
    Oh Leo, that didn't come across at all snobby or elitist.

    Okay, maybe that one merited a smiley.
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    Re: Sarcasum font!

    Quote Originally Posted by Antagony View Post
    Nah, sarcasm is meant to be dry and cutting, not especially humorous. Putting smilies alongside sarcastic comments would take too much of the edge off in my view.
    Without something to indicate that it is sarcasm it would be deliberately misconstrued. For example a liberal makes a sarcastic comment that conservatives are the smartest people in the world and then a conservative sees that and says thank you for admitting it.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Sarcasum font!

    Quote Originally Posted by Antagony View Post
    Oh Leo, that didn't come across at all snobby or elitist.

    Okay, maybe that one merited a smiley.
    Well, I expect that depends upon whether you consider correct usage as being elitist or not. As far as I am concerned, when I post here, I am publishing in a certain sense. I therefore owe it to my readership for my posts to be devoid of solecisms, and as grammatically correct as I am capable. I would also like the language I use to be elegant enough to be interesting to the reader.

    Accordingly, I review my posts, and correct any grammatical and/or spelling errors, before submitting them. I do this primarily because, whether it be on a political forum, or in a school assignment, people tend to take you more seriously if you express yourself clearly and moderately well. And secondarily, because it shows respect for those who might read your output.

    I am aware that your irony was submitted in a light-hearted vein, nevertheless I think Doctor Johnson's aphorism is not without meaning.

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    Re: Sarcasum font!

    Quote Originally Posted by Leo View Post
    Well, I expect that depends upon whether you consider correct usage as being elitist or not. As far as I am concerned, when I post here, I am publishing in a certain sense. I therefore owe it to my readership for my posts to be devoid of solecisms, and as grammatically correct as I am capable. I would also like the language I use to be elegant enough to be interesting to the reader.

    Accordingly, I review my posts, and correct any grammatical and/or spelling errors, before submitting them. I do this primarily because, whether it be on a political forum, or in a school assignment, people tend to take you more seriously if you express yourself clearly and moderately well. And secondarily, because it shows respect for those who might read your output.
    All admiral qualities Leo. And, of course, I was only pulling your leg. I fully appreciate the efforts you go to and only wish your kind of dedication was the norm rather than the exception.

    I am aware that your irony was submitted in a light-hearted vein, nevertheless I think Doctor Johnson's aphorism is not without meaning.
    Um, well it was sarcasm actually--as indicated by the method I proposed in my first post to this thread--but I'll let that one slide.
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    Re: Sarcasum font!

    I think it's a SWELL idea!!!!
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    Fool me twice....shame on me.

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    Re: Sarcasum font!

    Quote Originally Posted by TheGirlNextDoor View Post
    I think it's a SWELL idea!!!!
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    Re: Sarcasum font!

    Yea a sarcasm font that would be a great idea.Lets have someone who cant spell sarcasm decide.
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