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Should Same Sex People be allowed to Marry

Should Same Sex People be allowed to Marry

  • yes,-- everybody should be treated equal

    Votes: 69 74.2%
  • No--some people should recieve preferential treatment

    Votes: 24 25.8%

  • Total voters
    93
Marriage is about whatever the couple wants it to be about.

Well, I have a fancy lil textbook, a credentialed and qualified instructor, and real examples stating the contrary.

You have opinion based on wishful thinking.
 
You may stick to your ridiculous extremist position, but nobody else is going to go for it. Marriage isn't just for children for many thousands of people. Deal with it.

Your rant makes it no less true that many of us do feel exactly that way.

So you can say "nobody else is going to go for it" and I can say it is a fabrication at best.
 
And that is what makes it no more than a civil union.

Nope. I'm married. If I want to have sex with my dog along with my wife, have no children, live in separate states, crossdress, stay home while my wife works, or whatever other strange things you don't approve of, I'll do them and you can take a hike if you don't like it. It's my marriage, and I didn't sign anything saying I had to do it anybody's way but mine and my wife's.

Now, if you can fathom that crazy notion, maybe you can grasp some other "radical" ideas involved in this debate.
 
Well, I have a fancy lil textbook, a credentialed and qualified instructor, and real examples stating the contrary.

You have opinion based on wishful thinking.

Okay man. I also have an instructor sitting here beside me, and I have real world examples. But sadly I have no lil textbook.

You win.
 
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Nope. I'm married. If I want to have sex with my dog along with my wife, have no children, live in separate states, crossdress, stay home while my wife works, or whatever other strange things you don't approve of, I'll do them and you can take a hike if you don't like it. It's my marriage, and I didn't sign anything saying I had to do it anybody's way but mine and my wife's.

Now, if you can fathom that crazy notion, maybe you can grasp some other "radical" ideas involved in this debate.

Makes no difference. People do many stupid things, does not make it right or a real marraige.
 
Your rant makes it no less true that many of us do feel exactly that way.

So you can say "nobody else is going to go for it" and I can say it is a fabrication at best.

So you're saying that thousands and thousands of older couples will say "gee, you're right, we have no business marrying because we aren't going to have children"? And you think the rest of us who know that someday when our spouses die, or we divorce, we might also want to marry without the intention or possibility of children?

No. Sorry. That simply won't happen.

Marriage is not just about children. You can say it should be, but it's not, for millions of people.
 
Okay man. I also have an instructor sitting here beside me, and I have real world examples. But sadly I have no lil textbook.

You win.

Another element of cultural universal is biology. Every human has the same basic biology even though there are minor variations. An African's brain works the same way as a Native 'American's brain. A Russian's muscle structure is the same design as as an Asian's.

So to is marriage. While there are variations of marriage, such as nuclear and polygamy, they are essentially the same thing, universal in function and purpose.

To claim "marriage is about whatever the couple wants it to be" is the same as claiming "your intestine is the center of your nerves system if you want it to be, your toes can see if you want them to."
 
Makes no difference. People do many stupid things, does not make it right or a real marraige.

Sorry, my marriage is 100% real and there's not a damn thing you can do about it.

You can still interfere with gay couples, but you can't touch us. We'll do whatever the hell we want. I know that burns you up inside, that you can't control people's lives. But you can't. I'm going to have some really weird kinky sex with my wife while watching porn, just for you.
 
To claim "marriage is about whatever the couple wants it to be" is the same as claiming "your intestine is the center of your nerves system if you want it to be, your toes can see if you want them to."

Marriage is an artificial legal construct. You aren't born with it. It can be whatever you want it to be. I can, for instance, use my lips as a way to express intimacy with my lover (by kissing) rather than using them only for their biological purpose. Likewise, society can decide that marriage is whatever we want it to be for, and change our minds about it any time we want, and that includes letting couples decide for themselves what they want their marriage to be about.
 
Sorry, my marriage is 100% real and there's not a damn thing you can do about it.

You can still interfere with gay couples, but you can't touch us. We'll do whatever the hell we want. I know that burns you up inside, that you can't control people's lives. But you can't. I'm going to have some really weird kinky sex with my wife while watching porn, just for you.

You can claim your funeral is about whatever you want it to be about, but objectively, funerals are about marking the end of life.

Now whether or not you want to have a "living funeral" or wait until your dead is a variation, just as gay marriage might be a mere variation. If you aren't marking the end of life you have no business holding a funeral, just as if you aren't raising children you have no business getting married.
 
You can claim your funeral is about whatever you want it to be about, but objectively, funerals are about marking the end of life.

Yes. And marriage is about the joining of two people in a legal union.

Nothing about children there. Children are not mentioned in the marriage law of my state, nor on the marriage license.
 
If marriage is really about raising children then it stands to reason that every single state that allows same sex couples to jointly petition to adopt a child would also allow them to get married. And yet that's not the case. I wonder why?
 
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So you're saying that thousands and thousands of older couples will say "gee, you're right, we have no business marrying because we aren't going to have children"? And you think the rest of us who know that someday when our spouses die, or we divorce, we might also want to marry without the intention or possibility of children?

No. Sorry. That simply won't happen.

Marriage is not just about children. You can say it should be, but it's not, for millions of people.

Does not make you statement any less false. The rest has nothing to do with anything I said.
 
Marriage is an artificial legal construct. You aren't born with it. It can be whatever you want it to be. I can, for instance, use my lips as a way to express intimacy with my lover (by kissing) rather than using them only for their biological purpose. Likewise, society can decide that marriage is whatever we want it to be for, and change our minds about it any time we want, and that includes letting couples decide for themselves what they want their marriage to be about.

Marriage is a universal sociological function to which local laws might supplement in support.
 
Does not make you statement any less false. The rest has nothing to do with anything I said.

Yes, it does make your statement false. The history of marriage may be rooted in children, but it is clearly not used only to benefit children today, neither in law or practice. No state requires the intention of children, none bar infertile couples from marrying, and millions of people marry knowing they won't or can't have children. You are wrong both de jure and de facto.
 
Sorry, my marriage is 100% real and there's not a damn thing you can do about it.

Still does not make it real. Sorry if the turth hurts.

You can still interfere with gay couples, but you can't touch us. We'll do whatever the hell we want. I know that burns you up inside, that you can't control people's lives. But you can't. I'm going to have some really weird kinky sex with my wife while watching porn, just for you.

I am not interfering with anyone or controlling anyone. I am not the one who sounds "burnt up" but you certainly do. :lol:
 
Marriage is a universal sociological function to which local laws might supplement in support.

Fine. Like I said, good luck with that.
 
To claim "marriage is about whatever the couple wants it to be" is the same as claiming "your intestine is the center of your nerves system if you want it to be, your toes can see if you want them to."

LOL! No it isn't the same. It's not even remotely the same.

I'm talking about free will. I'm talking about the rights and freedoms that people have the authority to use. Marriage is whatever a couple wants it to be. Marriage is whatever people make it.

You know at first I thought you were kidding, but now I'm starting to think you're serious. :confused:
 
Yes. And marriage is about the joining of two people in a legal union.

Nothing about children there. Children are not mentioned in the marriage law of my state, nor on the marriage license.

See Trixil -v- Granvill, Loving -v- Verginia and Skinner -v- Oklahoma for where that argument fails.
 
I am not interfering with anyone or controlling anyone. I am not the one who sounds "burnt up" but you certainly do. :lol:

Right.

I'm going to have even more wild kinky porn sex now! It will be awesome.
 
See Trixil -v- Granvill, Loving -v- Verginia and Skinner -v- Oklahoma for where that argument fails.

:lol: YOU are quoting Loving v. Va. to me. That's awesome.
 
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