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Should Same Sex People be allowed to Marry

Should Same Sex People be allowed to Marry

  • yes,-- everybody should be treated equal

    Votes: 69 74.2%

  • No--some people should recieve preferential treatment

    Votes: 24 25.8%
  • Total voters
    93
Rassales said:
You could actually have a debate with me, but you'd rather just call me ignorant. That says a lot also.

When people don't explain what they mean, "assume" is all we can do.
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Nothing to debate. You have already made up your mind about what you think the bible says, period.

Since I did not want to start a Bible study it really would have been pointless.

It is funny to watch non-Christians try and tell Christians what we should or should not think about something we have actually studied.
 
Viv said:
Welcome.

Realistically, you have the written word of a guy who lived in a cave with a goat.
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Wow what an intelligent response. :roll:
 
MsCommonSensiality said:
How would gay marriage affect you?
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Read the thread. We have covered this already.

MsCommonSensiality said:
Alright, since, apparently, I'm still shaky on the rules here at DP, I'll say this carefully. I...am not fond of...people who think they have a right to control what anyone else is doing with their personal life. Frankly, it makes me sick. It's sad that we all have a right to decide what's best for someone else. I hate it.
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You do have the right to live someplace else?

MsCommonSensiality said:
I'd agree with that, because I am not other-worldly or have some special connection with God, but...I just don't. I believe God is a loving God. There's good people and bad people. While I don't think I know where God draws the line between good and bad, I know he's not going to send innocent people to Hell.
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And he is the only one who can judge that. All we can do is try to follow his word to the best of our understanding.

MsCommonSensiality said:
Okay, did you read what I said? Homosexuals have the same sexual organs and parts...that's it. Is that really such a bad thing?
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That has nothing to do with my response as far as I can tell.

MsCommonSensiality said:
Murderers have absolutely nothing to do with this. I'm tired of stressing that point. They're not similar. At all. Murderers kill people. They hurt people in more ways than one.
Do homosexuals do this?
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It was just an example. How did I know I was going to have to explain that. :roll:

MsCommonSensiality said:
Well, that ****ing scripture shouldn't determine how an entire group of people have to live their lives. That's just wrong. You know? It's like, enough with the Bible! Not everyone is a ****ing Christian.
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So what?

MsCommonSensiality said:
God, it just makes me so angry that a number of Christians have some twisted need to impede the lives of innocent people with their book and what they think God wants.
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OK.

Have fun with that.
 
Blackdog said:
Nothing to debate. You have already made up your mind about what you think the bible says, period.

Since I did not want to start a Bible study it really would have been pointless.

It is funny to watch non-Christians try and tell Christians what we should or should not think about something we have actually studied.
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First, I am a Christian. I haven't "made up my mind," evidenced by the fact that I've suggested on at least two occasions that we might have a debate about this. It's you who's suggested there's nothing to debate--a sure sign of someone who's made up their mind. You've also called me ignorant without making an argument--a sure sign of someone who's uncomfortable with their assumptions and "learning" being challenged.

Perhaps you're right that a "Bible study" would be pointless; it certainly would be if it involved one person telling everyone else what the Bible says. A debate over the meaning of a text, however, can be very interesting. When other arguments are based on that text, it's essential.
 
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Rassales said:
First, I am a Christian. I haven't "made up my mind," evidenced by the fact that I've suggested on at least two occasions that we might have a debate about this. It's you who's suggested there's nothing to debate--a sure sign of someone who's made up their mind. You've also called me ignorant without making an argument--a sure sign of someone who's uncomfortable with their assumptions and "learning" being challenged.
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What? a UU? At least that is what you sound like.

Rassales said:
Perhaps you're right that a "Bible study" would be pointless; it certainly would be if it involved one person telling everyone else what the Bible says. A debate over the meaning of a text, however, can be very interesting. When other arguments are based on that text, it's essential.
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I know what the text says, I don't need you to try and tell me it's wrong or I am misunderstanding the translation.

Nothing to debate here.
 
Antagony said:
Right, you said absurd rather than ridiculous (or ridicules, as you spelled it) which is why my searches didn't find it. However, you did say "either side" and I missed that, so I apologise. But as I said, that post was in response to winston53660's post about it occurring in nature--you'd managed to ignore all the previous comments about it being unnatural--and you then went on to argue against the idea of it being "natural," rather than the idea of it being "unnatural," so please forgive me for being somewhat sceptical of your impartiality on this matter.
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I never said it was not natural, in fact I said the opposite. I said it was natural. What I was pointing out is that arguing that animals are some kind of litmus test for human morality or behavior is silly.
 
Blackdog said:
Read the thread. We have covered this already.

You do have the right to live someplace else?

And he is the only one who can judge that. All we can do is try to follow his word to the best of our understanding.

That has nothing to do with my response as far as I can tell.

It was just an example. How did I know I was going to have to explain that. :roll:

So what?

OK.

Have fun with that.
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Well, I would love to respond to you right here and now, but I don't think it would fly with the mods. All I can say here is that you didn't even respond to me correctly. Please, direct yourself to my new thread in the basement. I will post my answer there.
 
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MsCommonSensiality said:
Well, I would love to respond to you right here and now, but I don't think it would fly with the mods. All I can say here is that you didn't even respond to me correctly. Please, direct yourself to my new thread in the basement. I will post my answer there.
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You might want to remove that link to the Basement before a Mod gigs you for the Vegas rule :2wave:
 
Blackdog said:
Originally Posted by MsCommonSensiality
Hey, great. But why should your personal beliefs determine someone else's marital status?

Originally Posted by MsCommonSensiality
Please use more than a simple circular argument.
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What the hell? I didn't post that.
 
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MsCommonSensiality said:
Well, I would love to respond to you right here and now, but I don't think it would fly with the mods. All I can say here is that you didn't even respond to me correctly. Please, direct yourself to my new thread in the basement. I will post my answer there.
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If you can't debate civilly here, why would I go to the basement? So you can possibly rant and throw a tantrum?

Sorry, I am not interested.
 
Blackdog said:
What? a UU? At least that is what you sound like.
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Is this the way you think about your religion? All full of schisms and jealousies that Paul called "worldly" (I Corinthians 3)? Let's put it this way--I favor a historical-critical reading of scriptures, as I have said. I don't assume that I, as a person living in 2010 America, pick up a translation of an ancient text and assume it means what it would if those words had been written recently, and in English.
I know what the text says, I don't need you to try and tell me it's wrong or I am misunderstanding the translation.

Nothing to debate here.
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That smacks of "I've made up my mind, don't confuse me with facts!"
 
Rassales said:
Is this the way you think about your religion? All full of schisms and jealousies that Paul called "worldly" (I Corinthians 3)? Let's put it this way--I favor a historical-critical reading of scriptures, as I have said. I don't assume that I, as a person living in 2010 America, pick up a translation of an ancient text and assume it means what it would if those words had been written recently, and in English.
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Yep I think I hit it firmly on the head.

Rassales said:
That smacks of "I've made up my mind, don't confuse me with facts!"
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I made up my mind, yes. Does it have anything to do with how YOU interpret what you see? Probably not.
 
folks please, the topic at hand is Simply whether there should be equal rights for all People, to be able to be married if they so chose, with out any regard to their sexual preference. ---All this other conversation, though riveting, is off topic. --and I thank you, do carry on. :cool:
 
Blackdog said:
Not really, I was debating 4 people at one time and typing quickly and not paying attention.

Because a typo just ruins the post. :roll:

Pathetic.
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I apologize for attacking your spelling. That wasn't very nice of me. I don't think that my OCD spelling makes me pathetic, though.
 
Skateguy said:
folks please, the topic at hand is Simply whether there should be equal rights for all People, to be able to be married if they so chose, with out any regard to their sexual preference. ---All this other conversation, though riveting, is off topic. --and I thank you, do carry on. :cool:
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But, you see...

There is no discussion possible on that question. It is an obvious "yes". As everyone realizes this, automatically, without thinking, it is immediately discarded, and focus turns to the slightly related topic of whether or not gay marriage should be made legal.

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Blackdog said:
If you can't debate civilly here, why would I go to the basement? So you can possibly rant and throw a tantrum?

Sorry, I am not interested.
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I don't throw tantrums. I rant. It's a problem. But, CaptainCourtesy informed me that a basement thread like this would most likely not go well, so I decided against it. I'll reply to you here.
 
MsCommonSensiality said:
I apologize for attacking your spelling. That wasn't very nice of me. I don't think that my OCD spelling makes me pathetic, though.
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It was not the OCD spelling, it was the attack that I was calling pathetic.

Appreciate the apology.
 
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MsCommonSensiality said:
I don't throw tantrums. I rant. It's a problem. But, CaptainCourtesy informed me that a basement thread like this would most likely not go well, so I decided against it. I'll reply to you here.
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OK, just don't rant. Just because you do not agree is no reason to disrespect. I will give your thoughts the same respect you give mine.
 
Is it time for a group hug yet?

:2grouphug
 
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