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Should Same Sex People be allowed to Marry

Should Same Sex People be allowed to Marry

  • yes,-- everybody should be treated equal

    Votes: 69 74.2%

  • No--some people should recieve preferential treatment

    Votes: 24 25.8%
  • Total voters
    93
Blackdog said:
My comment agrees with the article.

What part of...

"This makes it no less natural"

Are people missing????

My whole point is trying to use animals who do not have our ability to reason etc for or against homosexuality is absurd.

The problem here is people are viewing anything I say in tunnel vision.

I am not anti gay, I am not against gays having the same rights as married couples in a Civil Union. I am against it being called marraige. Two men or women do not make a marraige as far as I am concerned. Never has, never will. Until God comes down to tell me personally it is OK, I will not support it or the lifestyle, period.
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How are you only against gay marriage if you're simply going by what you think God wants?
You should be completely against any homosexual behavior. Doesn't it say in that book something like, "A man should not lie with another man as he lies with a woman for that is detestable?"
I don't agree with that, but why don't you?
If you think that's okay, then why can't they just get married and call it that?
If the government recognizes it as a marriage, that doesn't reflect on you, personally, right? It doesn't mean that you or other Christians are condoning that "sin."
 
Blackdog said:
My comment agrees with the article.

What part of...

"This makes it no less natural"

Are people missing????

My whole point is trying to use animals who do not have our ability to reason etc for or against homosexuality is absurd.

The problem here is people are viewing anything I say in tunnel vision.

I am not anti gay, I am not against gays having the same rights as married couples in a Civil Union. I am against it being called marraige. Two men or women do not make a marraige as far as I am concerned. Never has, never will. Until God comes down to tell me personally it is OK, I will not support it or the lifestyle, period.
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Has God come down personally to tell you it is not ok?

Or to tell you what marriage should be?

Religious definitions are a human construct. A crowd of guys came up with them and wrote them down. Now, they're telling you how to live, although they don't know you or your life and had no idea how your world would be. Good luck with that.
 
MsCommonSensiality said:
Too bad you don't know the difference between "new" and "knew," "their" and "there," or "to" and "too."
Also, you're not a "Christin," you're a "Christian."

Wow...take some English classes, man.
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Moderator's Warning:
This is unnecessary. There has already been on warning in this thread. Any further personal attacks will yield infractions and/or thread bans.
 
Skateguy said:
So my question is, if made legal, should two people of the same sex be allowed to marry, whether they are Homosexuals or not? ---this could be interesting
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Why not? A man and a woman who aren't in love and never have sex can get married too.
 
Antagony said:
Um, actually, although I haven't contributed to the latter part of the discussion, I have been following it closely. Closely enough to have spotted that you only came into the "natural" debate quite a while after it was declared unnatural and only in response to winston53660's post about it occurring in nature. If you said the the "unnatural" claims were ridiculous, I missed it. Point me to that post and I'll apologise.
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No need to apologies.

Post 341 http://www.debatepolitics.com/polls...x-people-allowed-marry-35.html#post1058494249
 
My ex-husband and I hated each other for at least 8 of the 12 years of the marriage. Fully legal.
 
He was questioning someone's intelligence and maturity, so I merely pointed out that he was in no position to.
I'm all for everyone having intelligent conversation. But how can we do that if someone can't spell?
I didn't mean to break the rules, though =\
 
MsCommonSensiality said:
How are you only against gay marriage if you're simply going by what you think God wants?
You should be completely against any homosexual behavior. Doesn't it say in that book something like, "A man should not lie with another man as he lies with a woman for that is detestable?"
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Read the whole thread to get a clue on what is going on. Stop making assumptions based on nothing.

MsCommonSensiality said:
I don't agree with that, but why don't you?
If you think that's okay, then why can't they just get married and call it that?
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Because it is not a marraige. If you do not agree, thats OK.

MsCommonSensiality said:
If the government recognizes it as a marriage, that doesn't reflect on you, personally, right? It doesn't mean that you or other Christians are condoning that "sin."
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The government does not recognize it. So I will not support it, and if I did it would reflect on me a Christian.
 
Navy Pride said:
Horse puckey, Its called and opinion, they might have gotten it from their religion or some other place......That does not make them homophobic or a bigot......I am totally against gay marriage for the reasons I have mentioned over and over again in this forum and in this thread and I am no bigot or homophobe...
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If someone's religion causes them to hate or fear something, or to discriminate against someone, they don't get a moral pass from those who disagree because it's religion on which they base their prejudices.

Religious people can use all kinds of language to describe those who disagree: heretic, idolater, blasphemer, apostate, whatever. They'll be technically correct to use these terms, because they have specific meanings.

I don't know how someone who opposes equal protection for LBGT people can avoid being called a homophobe, whatever the reason. That's what we call people who don't think LGBT people deserve equal treatment--would you like to suggest another (I asked this before and you didn't respond)?

Until I hear a single practical real-world argument against gay marriage (one based on the needs of society as it actually exists and not some religious belief or misconception about the nature of homosexuality), I have to assume that those opinions are based on prejudice. Perhaps you've given such a reason and I missed it.
 
Viv said:
Has God come down personally to tell you it is not ok?
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No, we have his written word.

Viv said:
Or to tell you what marriage should be?
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Again we have his written word.

Viv said:
Religious definitions are a human construct. A crowd of guys came up with them and wrote them down. Now, they're telling you how to live, although they don't know you or your life and had no idea how your world would be. Good luck with that.
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Thanks. :2wave:
 
Catz Part Deux said:
It's pretty old. Are you sure it's an accurate translation?
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Yep. Read it in Hebrew and Greek. Well not personally, but the newer translations form the original text.
 
Blackdog said:
Yep. Read it in Hebrew and Greek. Well not personally, but the newer translations form the original text.
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How old is the oldest copy you've read? Have you read from the originals? Or just copies of copies of copies of copies?
 
MsCommonSensiality said:
He was questioning someone's intelligence and maturity, so I merely pointed out that he was in no position to.
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Not really, I was debating 4 people at one time and typing quickly and not paying attention.

MsCommonSensiality said:
I'm all for everyone having intelligent conversation. But how can we do that if someone can't spell?
I didn't mean to break the rules, though =\
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Because a typo just ruins the post. :roll:

Pathetic.
 
Rassales said:
If someone's religion causes them to hate or fear something, or to discriminate against someone, they don't get a moral pass from those who disagree because it's religion on which they base their prejudices.

Religious people can use all kinds of language to describe those who disagree: heretic, idolater, blasphemer, apostate, whatever. They'll be technically correct to use these terms, because they have specific meanings.

I don't know how someone who opposes equal protection for LBGT people can avoid being called a homophobe, whatever the reason. That's what we call people who don't think LGBT people deserve equal treatment--would you like to suggest another (I asked this before and you didn't respond)?

Until I hear a single practical real-world argument against gay marriage (one based on the needs of society as it actually exists and not some religious belief or misconception about the nature of homosexuality), I have to assume that those opinions are based on prejudice. Perhaps you've given such a reason and I missed it.
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:applaud Excellent points, and all without reading thru the entire boring thread. Kudos! :applaud
 
Blackdog said:
Read the whole thread to get a clue on what is going on. Stop making assumptions based on nothing.
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Jeez, and people said I could be hostile. I'm just asking you a question. Are you going to make me read through over 40 pages or can you just answer?

Blackdog said:
Because it is not a marraige. If you do not agree, thats OK.
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Well, I don't. I was just wondering why you agree with some things and not others.

Blackdog said:
The government does not recognize it. So I will not support it, and if I did it would reflect on me a Christian.
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No, I know it doesn't recognize it. I should have said if the government recognized it, that wouldn't reflect on you. If this whole country, minus Christians, agreed with and accepted gays getting married, that wouldn't negatively affect you.

It wouldn't reflect on you as a Christian. You don't have to agree with it, but if you just had an open mind and voted "yes" to them getting married, you could just leave it at that. Their "sinning" would have nothing to do with you.

You nor anyone else should have the right to deny anyone else their rights.
If you have a problem with it, let them be. If they're going to Hell, you won't go down with them, I promise ;)

Besides, my whole family is Christian and they're accepting of everyone, homosexual or not. God is loving, he's not going to send a woman to Hell for loving another woman. They have the same private parts, that's it.

People fall in love with each others' souls, and I believe that goes beyond our physical confinements.
 
MsCommonSensiality said:
Jeez, and people said I could be hostile. I'm just asking you a question. Are you going to make me read through over 40 pages or can you just answer?
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Yes.

Not out of any kind of hostility, I am tired of explaining it over and over and over.

MsCommonSensiality said:
Well, I don't. I was just wondering why you agree with some things and not others.
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For the same reasons other people agree with some things and not others.

MsCommonSensiality said:
No, I know it doesn't recognize it. I should have said if the government recognized it, that wouldn't reflect on you. If this whole country, minus Christians, agreed with and accepted gays getting married, that wouldn't negatively affect you.
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With a country that is 70%+ identifying themselves as Christian, yes it would.

MsCommonSensiality said:
It wouldn't reflect on you as a Christian. You don't have to agree with it, but if you just had an open mind and voted "yes" to them getting married, you could just leave it at that. Their "sinning" would have nothing to do with you.
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Sorry but I will vote the way I see fit and will not support marraige for gays. A Marraige is between 1 man and 1 woman.

MsCommonSensiality said:
You nor anyone else should have the right to deny anyone else their rights.
If you have a problem with it, let them be. If they're going to Hell, you won't go down with them, I promise ;)
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Please don't be patronizing. You don't know who is going to hell anymore than I do.

MsCommonSensiality said:
Besides, my whole family is Christian and they're accepting of everyone, homosexual or not. God is loving, he's not going to send a woman to Hell for loving another woman. They have the same private parts, that's it.
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I am accepting and love everyone. That does not mean I should accept a murderer as my brother or gays getting married. I should accept the person but deny the sin, period.

MsCommonSensiality said:
People fall in love with each others' souls, and I believe that goes beyond our physical confinements.
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Not according to scripture.
 
ADK_Forever said:
:applaud Excellent points, and all without reading thru the entire boring thread. Kudos! :applaud
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I noticed the key word in that post was "assume."

Says allot.
 
Blackdog said:
I noticed the key word in that post was "assume."

Says allot.
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You could actually have a debate with me, but you'd rather just call me ignorant. That says a lot also.

When people don't explain what they mean, "assume" is all we can do.
 
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Blackdog said:
No, we have his written word.



Again we have his written word.



Thanks. :2wave:
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Welcome.

Realistically, you have the written word of a guy who lived in a cave with a goat.
 
Blackdog said:
With a country that is 70%+ identifying themselves as Christian, yes it would.
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How would gay marriage affect you?

Blackdog said:
Sorry but I will vote the way I see fit and will not support marraige for gays. A Marraige is between 1 man and 1 woman.
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Alright, since, apparently, I'm still shaky on the rules here at DP, I'll say this carefully. I...am not fond of...people who think they have a right to control what anyone else is doing with their personal life. Frankly, it makes me sick. It's sad that we all have a right to decide what's best for someone else. I hate it.

Blackdog said:
Please don't be patronizing. You don't know who is going to hell anymore than I do.
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I'd agree with that, because I am not other-worldly or have some special connection with God, but...I just don't. I believe God is a loving God. There's good people and bad people. While I don't think I know where God draws the line between good and bad, I know he's not going to send innocent people to Hell.

Blackdog said:
I am accepting and love everyone. That does not mean I should accept a murderer as my brother or gays getting married. I should accept the person but deny the sin, period.
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Okay, did you read what I said? Homosexuals have the same sexual organs and parts...that's it. Is that really such a bad thing?
Murderers have absolutely nothing to do with this. I'm tired of stressing that point. They're not similar. At all. Murderers kill people. They hurt people in more ways than one.
Do homosexuals do this?

Blackdog said:
Not according to scripture.
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Well, that ****ing scripture shouldn't determine how an entire group of people have to live their lives. That's just wrong. You know? It's like, enough with the Bible! Not everyone is a ****ing Christian.
God, it just makes me so angry that a number of Christians have some twisted need to impede the lives of innocent people with their book and what they think God wants.
 
MsCommonSensiality said:
Well, that ****ing scripture shouldn't determine how an entire group of people have to live their lives. That's just wrong. You know? It's like, enough with the Bible! Not everyone is a ****ing Christian.
God, it just makes me so angry that a number of Christians have some twisted need to impede the lives of innocent people with their book and what they think God wants.
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I agree with you, though I wouldn't be so vehement. I would suggest that if someone wants to live in a country where scripture is the law, they should try Saudi Arabia. I hear its nice and warm, even in the winter.
 
Blackdog said:
Sorry but I will vote the way I see fit and will not support marraige for gays. A Marraige is between 1 man and 1 woman.
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Not any more.

Please use more than a simple circular argument.

I am accepting and love everyone. That does not mean I should accept a murderer as my brother or gays getting married. I should accept the person but deny the sin, period.
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Hey, great. But why should your personal beliefs determine someone else's marital status?
 
Blackdog said:
No need to apologies.

Post 341 http://www.debatepolitics.com/polls...x-people-allowed-marry-35.html#post1058494249
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Right, you said absurd rather than ridiculous (or ridicules, as you spelled it) which is why my searches didn't find it. However, you did say "either side" and I missed that, so I apologise. But as I said, that post was in response to winston53660's post about it occurring in nature--you'd managed to ignore all the previous comments about it being unnatural--and you then went on to argue against the idea of it being "natural," rather than the idea of it being "unnatural," so please forgive me for being somewhat sceptical of your impartiality on this matter.
 
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