Hey, I'm just talking about what is "natural". I can't imagine why you think it is absurd. How exactly is masturbation or oral sex anymore "natural" than gay sex?
If the penis ain't going in the vagina, then that can't be considered "natural".
Why? If the the penis never goes in the vagina, then you may have a point.
Of course, you could make the observation that primates utilize sex for more than simply reproduction. They also use it as a social bonding agent. It cements relationships, particularly between monogamous couples. It serves as a stress release agent. It's a recreational activity. It's a pretty multifaceted thing that is more defined by behavior than by the physical bits. But meh, that isn't nearly as fun as calling it "consumption only" and "fruitless". Ignoring the psychological and sociological benefits is perfectly fine as long as you can justify it doesn't serve some ordained biological purpose.
If it feels good, do it. But if it means that you are only doing that which feels good to the exclusion of natural sex to procreate, you have just jumped the shark.
You mean like the loud forum that a preacher has when he stands in front of people and reads from an ancient book, dictating rules that are often contradictory and outdated. Yeah...we wouldn't want anyone to compete against that kind of forum to have their views heard. How dare they! You would almost think this was a free country in which people could exchange ideas openly and expect a reasonable discussion on them.
You have decided to bring religion into this topic I suppose to try to draw an argument out of me that you feel more comfortable with; when in actuality, religion has little to do with natural law. Why do you suppose we don't want all views heard. Are we not each posting our views here? Are you againn going off on tangents that are irrelevant to this discussion? I think the term is strawman?
Those damn gays should know their place! Just like those damn black people! And those damn women! And those damn Native Americans! And any group of people who choose to stand up against societal norms! How dare they complain that they aren't treated equally! They should all just shut up! People have a right to choose to own slaves, segregate races, deny one gender the right to vote or hold office, take land that has been occupied for centuries, etc. That is what is traditional, and traditional is always right!
Now you have ventured into the extreme and created a fantasy World born out of your imagination about things that have nothing to do with the conversation. Try to focus.
We are not talking about tradition. We are talking about the decision of the majority in a democracy and natural law.