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    Re: Should Same Sex People be allowed to Marry

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    That is nothing but a red herring. Has nothing to do with what he is saying about the family and marraige.
    but it does, if two parents not having children is immoral or whatever his opinion of it is, then shouldn't the reverse be true, and that he should oppose children outside of wedlock?

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    Re: Should Same Sex People be allowed to Marry

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    but it does, if two parents not having children is immoral or whatever his opinion of it is, then shouldn't the reverse be true, and that he should oppose children outside of wedlock?
    It's no secret that having children out of wedlock is taboo to social conservatives.

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    Re: Should Same Sex People be allowed to Marry

    When it comes to two consenting adults and a union/contract, the state is not in the business of ‘allowing’ anything.
    The state should not be our ruler, we rule our own lives.
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    Re: Should Same Sex People be allowed to Marry

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    It's no secret that having children out of wedlock is taboo to social conservatives.
    yeah, just checking though

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    Re: Should Same Sex People be allowed to Marry

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    This has nothing to do with my reply to you.

    You said...

    "You may stick to your ridiculous extremist position, but nobody else is going to go for it. Marriage isn't just for children for many thousands of people. Deal with it." - misterman

    The part marked in red is as I said a fabrication, lie, not true.

    I responded with this...

    "Your rant makes it no less true that many of us do feel exactly that way.

    So you can say "nobody else is going to go for it" and I can say it is a fabrication at best.
    " - Blackdog

    Now you can continue with your rant that has nothing to do with what I said in that statement.
    You can tell they're light-wights because they're not confronting my understanding of sociology with a superior understanding of the same science. They're grandstanding and asserting their own opinion as if opinion counters empirical fact.

    Just let them rant, save your energy for when a heavy weight, educated opponent shows up.

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    Re: Should Same Sex People be allowed to Marry

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    It's no secret that having children out of wedlock is taboo to social conservatives.
    Hey, Jerry, do you have parents or grandparents who are still alive? Do they know that if, God forbid, their spouse ever dies, you are adamantly opposed to letting them remarry, and you'd like to make it illegal, because they don't plan to have children or won't be able to?

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    Re: Should Same Sex People be allowed to Marry

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    but it does, if two parents not having children is immoral or whatever his opinion of it is, then shouldn't the reverse be true, and that he should oppose children outside of wedlock?
    Again this has nothing to do with his position on family being validated. That is what this whole thing is about.

    His argument against gay marraige has always been founded in it's not about the family. And for most gays it is not from what I have seen and read. It is about validating being gay in our society. It has very little to do with the family or the raising of children by the family.

    The family unit is the corner stone of our civilization. It was not until the last 50 years or so the family unit has been attacked and brought to it's knees with the advent of quickie divorces and marriages etc. Marraige is or was hard work, it is not easy and was never meant to be. It used to be something not to be entered into lightly. Now people do it for fun and then divorce the next day. Brittany Spears anyone?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
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    Re: Should Same Sex People be allowed to Marry

    Quote Originally Posted by peepnklown View Post
    When it comes to two consenting adults and a union/contract, the state is not in the business of ‘allowing’ anything.
    The state should not be our ruler, we rule our own lives.
    Perhaps you're right, but in some cultures where marriage is structured differently, marriage still serves the same purpose there as it does here. Also, in cultures where there is no codified law to make contracts, marriage still serves the same function as it does in cultures with codified law.

    Marriage as a technical contract is not an element of cultural universal.

    I would also like to point out that the legal institution of marriage in the US is not a private contract; it is a municipal license issued by the state.
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    Re: Should Same Sex People be allowed to Marry

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    This has nothing to do with my reply to you.
    Oops, sorry, wrong reply.

    "You may stick to your ridiculous extremist position, but nobody else is going to go for it. Marriage isn't just for children for many thousands of people. Deal with it." - misterman

    The part marked in red is as I said a fabrication, lie, not true.
    Nope. Not a single state requires children for marriage, and thousands of people get married every year knowing they will not, or cannot, have children.

    You couldn't be more wrong.

    Now, lay off the "lie" word, it's over the top.

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    Re: Should Same Sex People be allowed to Marry

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Oops, sorry, wrong reply.
    Apology accepted.

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Nope. Not a single state requires children for marriage, and thousands of people get married every year knowing they will not, or cannot, have children.

    You couldn't be more wrong.

    Now, lay off the "lie" word, it's over the top.
    Irrelevant to my statement. People do go for it, I am one of them. That alone makes your statement not true.

    Your spin on it makes no difference.
    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
    Quote Originally Posted by Absentglare View Post
    You can successfully wipe your ass with toilet paper, that doesn't mean that you should.

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