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    Re: Should Same Sex People be allowed to Marry

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    To claim "marriage is about whatever the couple wants it to be" is the same as claiming "your intestine is the center of your nerves system if you want it to be, your toes can see if you want them to."
    Marriage is an artificial legal construct. You aren't born with it. It can be whatever you want it to be. I can, for instance, use my lips as a way to express intimacy with my lover (by kissing) rather than using them only for their biological purpose. Likewise, society can decide that marriage is whatever we want it to be for, and change our minds about it any time we want, and that includes letting couples decide for themselves what they want their marriage to be about.

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    Re: Should Same Sex People be allowed to Marry

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Sorry, my marriage is 100% real and there's not a damn thing you can do about it.

    You can still interfere with gay couples, but you can't touch us. We'll do whatever the hell we want. I know that burns you up inside, that you can't control people's lives. But you can't. I'm going to have some really weird kinky sex with my wife while watching porn, just for you.
    You can claim your funeral is about whatever you want it to be about, but objectively, funerals are about marking the end of life.

    Now whether or not you want to have a "living funeral" or wait until your dead is a variation, just as gay marriage might be a mere variation. If you aren't marking the end of life you have no business holding a funeral, just as if you aren't raising children you have no business getting married.

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    Re: Should Same Sex People be allowed to Marry

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    You can claim your funeral is about whatever you want it to be about, but objectively, funerals are about marking the end of life.
    Yes. And marriage is about the joining of two people in a legal union.

    Nothing about children there. Children are not mentioned in the marriage law of my state, nor on the marriage license.

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    Re: Should Same Sex People be allowed to Marry

    If marriage is really about raising children then it stands to reason that every single state that allows same sex couples to jointly petition to adopt a child would also allow them to get married. And yet that's not the case. I wonder why?
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    Re: Should Same Sex People be allowed to Marry

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    So you're saying that thousands and thousands of older couples will say "gee, you're right, we have no business marrying because we aren't going to have children"? And you think the rest of us who know that someday when our spouses die, or we divorce, we might also want to marry without the intention or possibility of children?

    No. Sorry. That simply won't happen.

    Marriage is not just about children. You can say it should be, but it's not, for millions of people.
    Does not make you statement any less false. The rest has nothing to do with anything I said.
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    Re: Should Same Sex People be allowed to Marry

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Marriage is an artificial legal construct. You aren't born with it. It can be whatever you want it to be. I can, for instance, use my lips as a way to express intimacy with my lover (by kissing) rather than using them only for their biological purpose. Likewise, society can decide that marriage is whatever we want it to be for, and change our minds about it any time we want, and that includes letting couples decide for themselves what they want their marriage to be about.
    Marriage is a universal sociological function to which local laws might supplement in support.

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    Re: Should Same Sex People be allowed to Marry

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Does not make you statement any less false. The rest has nothing to do with anything I said.
    Yes, it does make your statement false. The history of marriage may be rooted in children, but it is clearly not used only to benefit children today, neither in law or practice. No state requires the intention of children, none bar infertile couples from marrying, and millions of people marry knowing they won't or can't have children. You are wrong both de jure and de facto.

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    Re: Should Same Sex People be allowed to Marry

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Sorry, my marriage is 100% real and there's not a damn thing you can do about it.
    Still does not make it real. Sorry if the turth hurts.

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    You can still interfere with gay couples, but you can't touch us. We'll do whatever the hell we want. I know that burns you up inside, that you can't control people's lives. But you can't. I'm going to have some really weird kinky sex with my wife while watching porn, just for you.
    I am not interfering with anyone or controlling anyone. I am not the one who sounds "burnt up" but you certainly do.
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    Re: Should Same Sex People be allowed to Marry

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Marriage is a universal sociological function to which local laws might supplement in support.
    Fine. Like I said, good luck with that.

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    Re: Should Same Sex People be allowed to Marry

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post

    To claim "marriage is about whatever the couple wants it to be" is the same as claiming "your intestine is the center of your nerves system if you want it to be, your toes can see if you want them to."
    LOL! No it isn't the same. It's not even remotely the same.

    I'm talking about free will. I'm talking about the rights and freedoms that people have the authority to use. Marriage is whatever a couple wants it to be. Marriage is whatever people make it.

    You know at first I thought you were kidding, but now I'm starting to think you're serious.
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