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    Re: Should Same Sex People be allowed to Marry

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    That's pretty dumb. Why is it terrible for same sex couples to be married? What possible basis do you have to want to make a law against their usage of a word if you're willing to functionally grant them the exercise of their right to contract?
    Because the definition of the word is not defined by a gay couple's relationship. What's dumb is thinking marriage is the same, as it's obviously not. You don't seem to think words are power - they are, and they matter.

    Define a gay couples act of commitment differently, give all the rights and privileges. That is the right thing to do.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Should Same Sex People be allowed to Marry

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Because the definition of the word is not defined by a gay couple's relationship. What's dumb is thinking marriage is the same, as it's obviously not. You don't seem to think words are power - they are, and they matter.

    Define a gay couples act of commitment differently, give all the rights and privileges. That is the right thing to do.
    You think words haven't changed meaning over time? Why is a gay couple's relationship different than a heterosexual's relationship? Aren't they based on love, compatibility, and commitment regardless of sexual orientation? Why do you insist on treating same sex couples as second class. The marriage license is a government contract, yet you would prevent same sex couples from exercising their right to contract over stupid rhetoric.

    Meanings of words change over time, especially as societies evolve and advance past archaic, restrictive, and stupid structures once imposed. Marriage license, that's it. Government contract and we have the right to contract.
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    Re: Should Same Sex People be allowed to Marry

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    You think words haven't changed meaning over time?
    I never claimed they don't change.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Why is a gay couple's relationship different than a heterosexual's relationship? Aren't they based on love, compatibility, and commitment regardless of sexual orientation?
    Because a marriage is between a man and a woman, and a civil union or (___insert terminology here___) is between a man/man or woman/woman.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Why do you insist on treating same sex couples as second class.
    I've actually done the direct opposite, I've said they deserve all of the benefits of a heterosexual married couple, without the term "marriage".

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    The marriage license is a government contract, yet you would prevent same sex couples from exercising their right to contract over stupid rhetoric.
    I would prevent a same sex couple from having a contract that states it's a "marriage", absolutely.

    Now, any other ludicrous accusations you'd like to levy? Lesse... I'm dumb, I'm treating gay couples as second class citizens (ie. oppressing), I'm preventing gays from exercising their right - which, marriage is not a right by the way... anything else? Is "honkey" coming next or maybe "bigot"??

    Get over the word, pick a better one. Marriage is taken.


    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Meanings of words change over time, especially as societies evolve and advance past archaic, restrictive, and stupid structures once imposed. Marriage license, that's it. Government contract and we have the right to contract.
    Since it's a government contract, government gets to define the words used in that contract and were I part of the government, the word would not change. Words may change over time, but now is not the time.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Should Same Sex People be allowed to Marry

    My original question is not whether Gay couples should be allowed to marry, but whether Hetero Same sex couples should be allowed to be married as well. ---If gender is no longer a requirement for marriage, then a persons sexual orientation, should certainly not be a deciding issue. . If it is legal for gay Men to marry, then it should be just as legal for Hetero Men to Marry as well. and of course, this applies to Females.
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    Re: Should Same Sex People be allowed to Marry

    Quote Originally Posted by Skateguy View Post
    I brought this up on another thread the other night. It just kind of rolled out in response to a "Gays getting married" thread.--but the more I think about,the more it seems like a legitimate question. I ask why would two people of the same sex, have to be homosexual to get married? --Because once married, they would then be able enjoy the benefits that go along with being married. Such as tax Breaks, special insurance rates, and so on. If Two Homo Men can get Married legally, then why couldn't two straight Men get married also? (Not that I would want to, but just sayin) Just seems to be more discrimination against Straight Guys to me. Male is Male, and Female is Female, regardless of sexual orientation.-So my question is, if made legal, should two people of the same sex be allowed to marry, whether they are Homosexuals or not? ---this could be interesting
    No--some people should receive preferential treatment, and gays clearly do not qualify
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    Re: Should Same Sex People be allowed to Marry

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Yes on the prior, no on the latter. What you call you and your wife's relationship is not the governments issue. What the government recognizes and defines as "marriage" certainly is. If gay couples want to call their ceremony a "marriage", yes I would pass a law against that.
    So you are in favor of violating their first amendment rights, then, by preventing them form calling their ceremmony and relationship whatever they want to call it.

    Also why is it that what I call my relationship with my wife is none of the government's business, but if my wife was another dude it suddenly does become teh governemnt's business what I call our relationship?
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    Re: Should Same Sex People be allowed to Marry

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Yes on the prior, no on the latter. What you call you and your wife's relationship is not the governments issue. What the government recognizes and defines as "marriage" certainly is. If gay couples want to call their ceremony a "marriage", yes I would pass a law against that.

    If they want to call it anything else, I would not have a problem with it.

    Bear in mind, that a "civil union" for a gay couple would have all the rights and privileges of a "marriage" of a straight couple, just not use the word "marriage".
    any "marriage" outside a church is nothing more than a civil union anyway. why the issue with semantics?

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    Re: Should Same Sex People be allowed to Marry

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    So you are in favor of violating their first amendment rights, then, by preventing them form calling their ceremmony and relationship whatever they want to call it.
    Yup, to hell with the constitution, some people are more equal than others

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    Also why is it that what I call my relationship with my wife is none of the government's business, but if my wife was another dude it suddenly does become teh governemnt's business what I call our relationship?
    Well because you're not gay, and so you're more equal than others, thus affording you the 1st amendment

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    Re: Should Same Sex People be allowed to Marry

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    So you are in favor of violating their first amendment rights, then, by preventing them form calling their ceremmony and relationship whatever they want to call it.
    Language definition is not covered under the 1st amendment. Even suggesting that requires a stretch of imagination and little to no knowledge of the Constitution. But I'll play along --- If it were covered under the 1st Amendment, yes, I'd be in favor of violating their rights.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    Also why is it that what I call my relationship with my wife is none of the government's business, but if my wife was another dude it suddenly does become teh governemnt's business what I call our relationship?
    Because they enter into a contract with the government. You didn't have to marry your wife and you simply could have lived together. Once you enter in with the government, that contract uses words which are defined. What you call your relationship is irrelevant to the government.
    Last edited by Ockham; 01-14-10 at 02:29 PM.
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    Re: Should Same Sex People be allowed to Marry

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Well because you're not gay, and so you're more equal than others, thus affording you the 1st amendment
    Ah, but I'm an idiot which makes me less equal than others again.
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