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    Re: Should Same Sex People be allowed to Marry

    Quote Originally Posted by Antagony View Post
    Paul also said women should remain silent in church and condemned those who wore gold or pearls; both also backed up by the OT. So my point about the double standards of interpretation when it comes to homosexuality still stands.
    Not really. Those are not sins. Paul did not say those are sins. Those were the rules in HIS Church and he was passing them to another.

    Now you are just reaching for loop holes.

    As I said, we are done here.
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    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
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    Re: Should Same Sex People be allowed to Marry

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    As I said, we are done here.
    Yep, you're running off when it gets tough. Wouldn't want your views challenged.

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    Re: Should Same Sex People be allowed to Marry

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Actually it does, and I have posted the verse in this thread already.
    No, it doesn't. The word didn't even exist at the time that men wrote the bible. Or when they rewrote it.


    It has nothing to do with sticking anything anyplace. We as Christians are not allowed to support sin. I have posted what Jesus said about it.

    What you call "someone's mythical book" as if to degrade it somehow, is scared text to us who believe.
    Yes, I know it's sacred text to you. I'm not 'degrading' anything. I'm simply stating what it is. A book of mythology, same as stories about Zeus or Osirus (though obscenely more boring). It is mythical, of no more significance than that. That's not 'degrading' it anymore than calling a Stephen King book a book of fiction is degrading it. It's just a simple statement of fact. Now, you are of course free to worship Stephen King's writings or anyone elses, such as Hubbard, and call all of them 'sacred'. I'm still going to call a spade a spade. Hubbards writings are fictional and mythical. So is the bible, so is the quran, so are the upinshads, so on and so forth. Obviously, some are more interesting than others, but in the end, they are all the same - works of fiction. Books. Words on paper written by men who wanted to tell a story.

    You want to base YOUR life on a book, go right ahead. I just can't comprehend why you feel the need to try and make me abide by the rules some man wrote down in the book you've chosen as your sacred text. I wouldn't allow it for Scientologists, Muslims, Mormon, Hindus, Jews, and I'm sure as **** not going to idly sit by and allow Christians to do it either.

    Jesus ****ing christ, if we abided by all the rules in everyone's chosen 'sacred text', we wouldn't be allowed to do a goddamn thing.

    So, your book tells you that you can't 'allow' sin. Well, unless you're going to outlaw anal sex, pre-marital sex, taking your 'lord's' name in vain, disobeying one's parents, lying, so on and so forth, then you are not being honest about your reasons. Do you fight to make it illegal to lie? Do you fight to put people in prison for typing "jesus ****ing christ" like I just did above? Do you fight to put video cameras in everyone's home to make sure no man ever sticks his dick in his wife's ass? No, you don't. Why not? Why don't you rail against every single sin listed in the bible? Every. single. one of them. Shouldn't they all be illegal, in the eyes of christians? Shouldn't we all be policed and forced to adhere to the rules set forth in the book you've chosen to obey?

    And, what about free will?

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    Re: Should Same Sex People be allowed to Marry

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    No, it doesn't. The word didn't even exist at the time that men wrote the bible. Or when they rewrote it.



    Yes, I know it's sacred text to you. I'm not 'degrading' anything. I'm simply stating what it is. A book of mythology, same as stories about Zeus or Osirus (though obscenely more boring). It is mythical, of no more significance than that. That's not 'degrading' it anymore than calling a Stephen King book a book of fiction is degrading it. It's just a simple statement of fact. Now, you are of course free to worship Stephen King's writings or anyone elses, such as Hubbard, and call all of them 'sacred'. I'm still going to call a spade a spade. Hubbards writings are fictional and mythical. So is the bible, so is the quran, so are the upinshads, so on and so forth. Obviously, some are more interesting than others, but in the end, they are all the same - works of fiction. Books. Words on paper written by men who wanted to tell a story.

    You want to base YOUR life on a book, go right ahead. I just can't comprehend why you feel the need to try and make me abide by the rules some man wrote down in the book you've chosen as your sacred text. I wouldn't allow it for Scientologists, Muslims, Mormon, Hindus, Jews, and I'm sure as **** not going to idly sit by and allow Christians to do it either.

    Jesus ****ing christ, if we abided by all the rules in everyone's chosen 'sacred text', we wouldn't be allowed to do a goddamn thing.

    So, your book tells you that you can't 'allow' sin. Well, unless you're going to outlaw anal sex, pre-marital sex, taking your 'lord's' name in vain, disobeying one's parents, lying, so on and so forth, then you are not being honest about your reasons. Do you fight to make it illegal to lie? Do you fight to put people in prison for typing "jesus ****ing christ" like I just did above? Do you fight to put video cameras in everyone's home to make sure no man ever sticks his dick in his wife's ass? No, you don't. Why not? Why don't you rail against every single sin listed in the bible? Every. single. one of them. Shouldn't they all be illegal, in the eyes of christians? Shouldn't we all be policed and forced to adhere to the rules set forth in the book you've chosen to obey?

    And, what about free will?
    yeah, your right, and why should americans follow some mythical text written by a bunch of old farts in the 1700's, or blokes in fancy white buildings

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    Re: Should Same Sex People be allowed to Marry

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Not really. Those are not sins. Paul did not say those are sins. Those were the rules in HIS Church and he was passing them to another.

    Now you are just reaching for loop holes.

    As I said, we are done here.
    No, I'm not reaching for anything... except an answer to the question I've asked--repeatedly--about why scripture interpreted as pertaining to homosexuality is immutable, whereas everything else is apparently not?

    Also, as you seem happy enough to accept that Paul's comments about women were only his own rules--not Jesus'--why can't you consider his comments on homosexuality in the same way? I mean, it seems inconceivable to me that he would be the only one of the apostles to have had Jesus' thoughts on the matter, so why was he the only one who mentioned it? Could it be that they too were only his personal thoughts and nothing to do with anything Jesus said to him?
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    Re: Should Same Sex People be allowed to Marry

    Quote Originally Posted by Antagony View Post
    No, I'm not reaching for anything... except an answer to the question I've asked--repeatedly--about why scripture interpreted as pertaining to homosexuality is immutable, whereas everything else is apparently not?
    No insult to you Ant as you have been quit plesant, and I feel I owe you an answer.

    This is not a Bible study, it would take me hours to post examples of what is acceptable and what is not.

    You have to read it in context and study the history as well as the modern aspects. This is not something that can be covered in a post on a message board.

    Quote Originally Posted by Antagony View Post
    Also, as you seem happy enough to accept that Paul's comments about women were only his own rules--not Jesus'--why can't you consider his comments on homosexuality in the same way? I mean, it seems inconceivable to me that he would be the only one of the apostles to have had Jesus' thoughts on the matter, so why was he the only one who mentioned it? Could it be that they too were only his personal thoughts and nothing to do with anything Jesus said to him?
    You have to read it in context with what comes before and after.

    If you were really that concerned, you would pick up a Bible and really study it.

    Then and only then, could you even begin to understand how it all works together.

    I have been at this for many years, and for someone to come in who has barely cracked it open to tell me I must be wrong is rather disingenuous.

    So with that, I bid you good day.
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    Re: Should Same Sex People be allowed to Marry

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post



    You have to read it in context with what comes before and after.
    well in that case perhaps homsexuality isn't such a bad thing, as the next passage after is saying how all will be forgived by the grace of Christ or something to that effect

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    Re: Should Same Sex People be allowed to Marry

    Sins are graded --1 thru 10. --I just do little sins, like peep
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    Re: Should Same Sex People be allowed to Marry

    Quote Originally Posted by Skateguy View Post
    Sins are graded --1 thru 10. --I just do little sins, like peep
    Just hope you get the Romanian judge ...

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    Re: Should Same Sex People be allowed to Marry

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    No. Only by Paul. Since he spoke directly to Jesus, I will give him the benefit of the doubt. Paul is also backed up by the fact it is condemned in the OT as well.
    Well, one could say that he may have spoken directly to Jesus' ghost, but during the time of Jesus' actual ministry, Paul never even met him.

    His gospels supposedly came from "revelation" by Jesus Christ. I don't know if that means he felt they came by direct conversation with the ghost of Jesus or if he thought Jesus put the gospels into his head through some divine means.

    Either way, it's a little disingenuous to say he spoke directly to Jesus. All one can honestly say is that Paul claimed to have been in direct contact with Jesus, but it is known that he never met Jesus while Jesus was alive.

    To me, that fact means that if something is only found in Paul's gospels, but not the other gospels one should probably view those gospels with a certain "This dude believed that the voices in his head were Jesus" type of skepticism. Doesn't mean the voices weren't Jesus, but I think a skeptical view of those gospels may be well placed.

    Just sayin'.
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