yes,-- everybody should be treated equal
No--some people should recieve preferential treatment
This has nothing to do with sitting in judgment of anyone. I do however sit in judgment of the sin.
Even the Devil can quote scripture out of context all day, and it means nothing.
Now lets look at what Jesus said about sin...
Matthew 18:7-9 "Woe to the world because of the things that cause people to sin! Such things must come, but woe to the man through whom they come! 8 If your hand or your foot causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to enter life maimed or crippled than to have two hands or two feet and be thrown into eternal fire. 9 And if your eye causes you to sin, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to enter life with one eye than to have two eyes and be thrown into the fire of hell."
Looks pretty cut and dry to me.
Last edited by Black Dog; 01-19-10 at 10:06 PM.
No Lives Matter
Funny thing about that "moral decline of society" thing--it's much easier to judge AFTER the fact than when you're in it. I'm reminded of Girolamo Savonarola, a leader against "moral decline" in his era. Turns out he was opposing the Renaissance!
The Renaissance was marked by a belief that God wanted humans to make their world beautiful and plentiful--that human reason and creativity were God's crowning gifts to humanity. Savonarola insisted on preserving the medieval perspective--the only proper place for the human soul is in heaven, so anything that ties us to this world (including actions that make our time here more pleasant) is evil. Creating beauty and utility (particularly when an individual inventor or artist takes credit for it) is vanity.
I do not want nor does the Bible condone a theocracy of any type. The laws in the Bible are for our personal lives, not a governmental system to run a country. That being said, it does not mean our mortality cannot be reflected in our society or government.
Last edited by Black Dog; 01-19-10 at 11:10 PM.
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Christians did not always think so. For a very long period (and the earliest period) in Christian history, creating beauty was considered competing with God, and admiring man-made beauty was corrupting to the soul, since it distracted from the primary purpose of human existence, the heavenly reward.Creating beauty in and of itself and taking credit is not vain.
Even in our secular government, religion does have a say through voting.
Of course this is also true for anyone here no matter what system of beliefs they follow. No one should be silenced.
I mean Christianity has done more then it's share of wrongs in Gods name. Even though the scripture did not condone it. The Crusades, Inquisition and the support of Nazi's during WWII. The holy church is no virgin, and this is exactly the reason Jesus had to die for us.
What does any of this have to do with Gay marraige? I mean if you want to continue this, we should move it to the "Church and State" forum.
Last edited by Black Dog; 01-19-10 at 11:50 PM.
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If we want to talk about problems of morality, consensual sex is among the least important aspect of life, IMHO.