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    Re: Should Same Sex People be allowed to Marry

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    That is true, I did not mean it that way in the context of the conversation.



    Higher thinking is not a sign of morals or abstract thought. It is simply higher thinking. This does not make an animal a moral animal. Nor does it mean it can understand anything outside of basic emotional contexts.
    Morals are subjective. There are dolphins that kill and torture seemingly purely for pleasure, but not all of them do. Why wouldn't all of them do it? Why would it be more of a rogue behavior? Wouldn't that imply that the 'mean' dolphins are acting on a different set of 'morals' (for lack of a better term, since I think 'morals' are a purely human construct and entirely subjective to the individual)? Some of them have sex purely for pleasure as well, some of them even have nasal sex (yup, sex with a blowhole - and here you thought anal sex was unusual )

    Personally, I don't think compassion is just a 'basic emotional context', since some humans are completely lacking it.

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    Re: Should Same Sex People be allowed to Marry

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    Actually, the studies I was thinking about regarding birds were carried out with wild Kea.
    Yes I know of the study. The fact is they don't know if it is an instinct or learned response.
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    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
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    Re: Should Same Sex People be allowed to Marry

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    Morals are subjective. There are dolphins that kill and torture seemingly purely for pleasure, but not all of them do. Why wouldn't all of them do it? Why would it be more of a rogue behavior? Wouldn't that imply that the 'mean' dolphins are acting on a different set of 'morals' (for lack of a better term, since I think 'morals' are a purely human construct and entirely subjective to the individual)?
    I could be, but it could also be some kind of mental defect. The fact is we don't know. Scientists are still hotly debating this one.

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    Some of them have sex purely for pleasure as well, some of them even have nasal sex (yup, sex with a blowhole - and here you thought anal sex was unusual )
    Again we don't know this to be a fact. It is as I stated hotly contested.

    Blowhole sex! Those sick Dolphins!

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    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    Personally, I don't think compassion is just a 'basic emotional context', since some humans are completely lacking it.
    I don't know for certain myself. Until animals can appreciate art etc, I just don't see it.
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    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
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    Re: Should Same Sex People be allowed to Marry

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    I don't know for certain myself. Until animals can appreciate art etc, I just don't see it.
    How do you know they can't? Do you speak with them?

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    Re: Should Same Sex People be allowed to Marry

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    How do you know they can't? Do you speak with them?
    No, lol. I said I don't know for certain! I probably should have said...

    Until it can be proved in some way.
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    Re: Should Same Sex People be allowed to Marry

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    I don't know for certain myself. Until animals can appreciate art etc, I just don't see it.
    When I had my studio in NYC the Golden would not step on the art and on occasion she would stare at it for a lenggth of time when on the wall.

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    Re: Should Same Sex People be allowed to Marry

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Yes I know of the study. The fact is they don't know if it is an instinct or learned response.
    Ah, but we really don't know if logic and abstract thought is instinctual or a learned in humans either. The Nature/Nurture debate still rages.

    I tend to think it's a bit of column A and a bit of column B, myself.

    As far as determining if morality exists within animal species, without being able to communicate with the animals, this is impossible to determine. We know that at least a few species of non-human animals can communicate to a high degree compared to other non-human animals. This opens up the possibility that there is some rudimentary moral code that develops within certain species, but it could be vastly different from what humans would consider in their morality.

    Either way, it's an interesting subject.
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    Re: Should Same Sex People be allowed to Marry

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    When I had my studio in NYC the Golden would not step on the art and on occasion she would stare at it for a lenggth of time when on the wall.
    Are you talking about GoldenDog?

    Sorry I could not resist.

    This means little. My cat liked to watch TV.
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    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
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    Re: Should Same Sex People be allowed to Marry

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Are you talking about GoldenDog?

    Sorry I could not resist.

    This means little. My cat liked to watch TV.
    LOL, she would talk to me too.

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    Re: Should Same Sex People be allowed to Marry

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Nothing I did not already know.
    No kidding?

    Completely ignore the comparison and then ad hom.
    Since you're so dense, I'll show you point for point...
    Here is what you said, "Animals also eat there own feces. Dogs eat cat feces. Chimps eat other monkeys etc. They eat their own young. "

    Those things you talked about have nothing to do with the subject. Hence... apples and oranges! However, I decided to address your comment "They eat their young."

    Was that slow enough for you? Holy ****!

    Actually I am, but your constant fallacy arguments and inability to debate is all that is showing.
    If you were expressing yourself, as if you knew anything about all of this, all these people wouldn't be arguing with you. Think about that.
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