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    Re: Should Same Sex People be allowed to Marry

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    Certain tool usages could be viewed as requiring abstract thought. I'm not sure if it relates to morality, though.
    I was going with blackdogs argument on that. From my take he was arguing that for there to be morality there has to be abstract thought.

    Blackdog you can correct me if I misinterpreted you.

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    Re: Should Same Sex People be allowed to Marry

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Certain birds also use a stick to get insects. This is not proof of abstract thought.

    As soon as an animal can understand art, or understand a joke, we will be getting someplace.
    Actually, some birds are believed to have a similar level of intelligence to primates and both groups have been able to solve logic puzzles.

    Logic is itself a version of abstract thought, and a precursor to moral development.
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    Re: Should Same Sex People be allowed to Marry

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    Actually, some birds are believed to have a similar level of intelligence to primates and both groups have been able to solve logic puzzles.

    Logic is itself a version of abstract thought, and a precursor to moral development.
    I see this all pretty much as "anthropomorphism" we teach the animals to solve the puzzles etc. In the wild they are not developing anything close.

    Their is much debate among scientists on this subject though.
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    Re: Should Same Sex People be allowed to Marry

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    I was going with blackdogs argument on that. From my take he was arguing that for there to be morality there has to be abstract thought.

    Blackdog you can correct me if I misinterpreted you.
    Actually you just went over my head, lol. I agree with your statement, but I was just saying animals are not moral and do not have the ability to understand basic abstract concepts like humor.
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    Re: Should Same Sex People be allowed to Marry

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    I see this all pretty much as "anthropomorphism" we teach the animals to solve the puzzles etc. In the wild they are not developing anything close.

    Their is much debate among scientists on this subject though.
    Actually, the studies I was thinking about regarding birds were carried out with wild Kea.
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    Re: Should Same Sex People be allowed to Marry

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    This has nothing to do with compassion or emotion.
    Yes, it does since your reply to a statement regarding other animals and compassion was "that kind of discovery would turn the scientific world on its ear".

    Compassion requires empathy. Empathy requires acknowledgment of feelings outside of one's own and how one's actions can affect others. That requires higher thinking.

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    Re: Should Same Sex People be allowed to Marry

    Absolutely. If it's not some serious threat to the world, why forbid it?

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    Re: Should Same Sex People be allowed to Marry

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Yes I did.
    Learn anything from the article?

    So the eating is apples and oranges but the killing is not?
    Reading comprehension is not your strong suit, is it?

    I probably know more about anthropology, then you will ever know. Considering of course I majored in it in college
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    Re: Should Same Sex People be allowed to Marry

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    Yes, it does since your reply to a statement regarding other animals and compassion was "that kind of discovery would turn the scientific world on its ear".
    That is true, I did not mean it that way in the context of the conversation.

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    Compassion requires empathy. Empathy requires acknowledgment of feelings outside of one's own and how one's actions can affect others. That requires higher thinking.
    Higher thinking is not a sign of morals or abstract thought. It is simply higher thinking. This does not make an animal a moral animal. Nor does it mean it can understand anything outside of basic emotional contexts.
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    Re: Should Same Sex People be allowed to Marry

    Quote Originally Posted by ADK_Forever View Post
    Learn anything from the article?
    Nothing I did not already know.

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    Reading comprehension is not your strong suit, is it?
    Completely ignore the comparison and then ad hom.

    Quote Originally Posted by ADK_Forever View Post
    Well, you're certainly not showing it here.
    Actually I am, but your constant fallacy arguments and inability to debate is all that is showing.
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    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
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