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    Re: Should Same Sex People be allowed to Marry

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    I have never heard of such a thing. A find like that would throw the scientific world on it's ear.
    Here's one dated 2006:
    A study demonstrates that elephants show caring behaviour towards other elephants in distress and that they have a strong interest in the dead bodies of other elephants. Furthermore, this behaviour is not restricted to immediate kin, which leads researchers to believe elephants may, like humans, show the emotion of compassion.

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    The research team describe how a dying elephant matriarch, they called Eleanor, was assisted by the unrelated matriarch of another family. Over the next week they also tracked other elephants that visited the dying and then dead matriarch and recorded the caring behaviour that they showed. Such behaviour is rare and difficult to observe in nature. Techniques of remote sensing in this case made it possible to collect continuous data on the death of Eleanor, and the reactions of three tagged animals, which could be tracked at the same time.

    From radio tracking and direct or recorded observations, this study shows that five families visited the dead Eleanor, showing a distinct interest in her body, One of these families was her own, but the researchers noted that Eleanor also received visits from elephants that were not normally associated with her, nor were they closely related. The study concludes that elephants are interested in the sick, dying or dead elephants, irrespective of a genetic relationship.

    The authors said: ‘It leads to the conclusion that elephants have a generalised response to suffering and death of con-specifics and that this is not restricted to kin. It is an example of how elephants and humans may share emotions, such as compassion, and have an awareness and interest about death.’
    News: Elephants, like humans, show compassion after a death of their own species

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    Re: Should Same Sex People be allowed to Marry

    Quote Originally Posted by Rassales View Post
    This has nothing to do with morals. It has even less to do with animals understanding abstract concepts.

    No one said animals cannot feel emotions. Higher level animals most certainly do.
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    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
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    Re: Should Same Sex People be allowed to Marry

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Well if it happens on a daily bases, you can show a little evidence of animals being moral? Or understanding abstract concepts without being trained by humans?
    Evidence of other animals showing compassion? Jesus, do a search. You'll find countless examples of animals - both wild and domesticated - saving human life, saving the lives of companions, etc. Haven't you ever had a pet? When I'm upset, my pets have always been able to recognize it and try and comfort me. My parent's dog has not been trained to protect my new little dog, but yet when a larger dog came into the yard, he ran out and placed himself immediately in front of the smaller dog and defended him. My cat has done the same with a kitten we brought into the home. Dolphins rescue humans in the wild, elephants rescue their own in the wild, chimps express sadness at the death of one of their own. The list of examples would be nearly endless.

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    Re: Should Same Sex People be allowed to Marry

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    This has nothing to do with morals. It has even less to do with animals understanding abstract concepts.

    No one said animals cannot feel emotions. Higher level animals most certainly do.
    It has everything to do with morals, and as a Christian you should know that. Love is the central moral tenet of Christianity.

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    Re: Should Same Sex People be allowed to Marry

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    This has nothing to do with morals. It has even less to do with animals understanding abstract concepts.

    No one said animals cannot feel emotions. Higher level animals most certainly do.
    Chimpanzees in the wild has been witnessed using tools.

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    Re: Should Same Sex People be allowed to Marry

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    Evidence of other animals showing compassion? Jesus, do a search. You'll find countless examples of animals - both wild and domesticated - saving human life, saving the lives of companions, etc. Haven't you ever had a pet? When I'm upset, my pets have always been able to recognize it and try and comfort me. My parent's dog has not been trained to protect my new little dog, but yet when a larger dog came into the yard, he ran out and placed himself immediately in front of the smaller dog and defended him. My cat has done the same with a kitten we brought into the home. Dolphins rescue humans in the wild, elephants rescue their own in the wild, chimps express sadness at the death of one of their own. The list of examples would be nearly endless.
    This has nothing to do with compassion or emotion. As I said higher level animals do have emotions. We are talking about morals and abstract thought.

    Dogs instinctively protect the members of it's pack. This is simply an extension of that instinct.

    It does not show a moral judgement anymore than an animal being sad at the death of a pack member etc.
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    Re: Should Same Sex People be allowed to Marry

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Chimpanzees in the wild has been witnessed using tools.
    And this has something to do with abstract thought and morals how?
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    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
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    Re: Should Same Sex People be allowed to Marry

    Quote Originally Posted by Rassales View Post
    It has everything to do with morals, and as a Christian you should know that. Love is the central moral tenet of Christianity.
    Please get a clue.
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    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
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    Re: Should Same Sex People be allowed to Marry

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    And this has something to do with abstract thought and morals how?
    Certain tool usages could be viewed as requiring abstract thought. I'm not sure if it relates to morality, though.
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    Re: Should Same Sex People be allowed to Marry

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    Certain tool usages could be viewed as requiring abstract thought. I'm not sure if it relates to morality, though.
    Certain birds also use a stick to get insects. This is not proof of abstract thought.

    As soon as an animal can understand art, or understand a joke, we will be getting someplace.
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    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
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