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    Re: Should Same Sex People be allowed to Marry

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    If it was based on a "fear" you may have had a point.
    I see all of this anti-gay rights as being based on fear. Fear of anything different than you. Fear of people thinking and behaving different than you. Just plain old fashioned, ignorant fear. Nothing personal.

    Because it is not morally acceptable that a marraige is a man and a man etc.
    By whom, people who can't think outside selected passages of a book like the bible? Morals shaped by religious teachings very often lead to discrimination, an "us against them" attitude.

    No, it makes you look silly and boring. No insult intended, but you asked.
    Name calling? That tactic may work for other people who think in terms of narrow views but, it has no effect on people thinking of the bigger picture.
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    Re: Should Same Sex People be allowed to Marry

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    ok, good point, though that wasnt intentional, but my point is why do morals have to play a part in it, marriage isn't a religious institution any more, it is simply a symbol of two peoples love, and while they can get the legal bits with a civil union, gays just want the symbloism to go with it, and why is that such a bad thing?
    Marriage is a sociological institution. The religious aspect is a part, not an alternative whole. The legal aspect is a part, not an alternative whole. The personal relationship is a part, not an alternative whole.

    Attempting to separate the parts and represent them as independent wholes is dishonest.

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    Re: Should Same Sex People be allowed to Marry

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    Well it sems the polls are much closer when the names are shown and there is usually a much bigger disparity from the left.....That was my only point........
    Here's what I posted before, NP:

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    Actually, NP, one of the cool things about being a DP Admin., is that I can see who voted even if the poll is NOT public. Guess what I found out? 5 "guests" voted for "no"; 8 "guests" voted for "yes". Everyone else was a DP member. That means, as of now, 13 members voted for "no" and 33 members voted for "yes". And several of those who voted for yes, identify themselves as conservatives.

    So... you are completely wrong about your assumption.
    In this situation, the poll is accurate.
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    Re: Should Same Sex People be allowed to Marry

    Quote Originally Posted by ADK_Forever View Post
    I see all of this anti-gay rights as being based on fear. Fear of anything different than you. Fear of people thinking and behaving different than you. Just plain old fashioned, ignorant fear. Nothing personal.
    Well you are wrong as it has nothing to do with fear at all. I would also like to point out the key to what you said is "I see all" and this is nothing more than a bigoted blanket statement on your part.

    Quote Originally Posted by ADK_Forever View Post
    By whom, people who can't think outside selected passages of a book like the bible? Morals shaped by religious teachings very often lead to discrimination, an "us against them" attitude.
    In some cases yes, in some no. I mean lets look at Nazi Germany. They burned gays and it had nothing to do with religion. Same in Stalins Russia and other places through the century's. Much of the time religion is used as a scape goat when the religions teachings have nothing to do with what is being done.

    Quote Originally Posted by ADK_Forever View Post
    Name calling? That tactic may work for other people who think in terms of narrow views but, it has no effect on people thinking of the bigger picture.
    Please point out where I called you out of your name? That is a rather lame and disingenuous answer.

    You asked a question and I gave an honest answer that said "it makes you look," unlike you.

    If I cannot answer a question you asked honestly, then this is over.
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    Re: Should Same Sex People be allowed to Marry

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Well you are wrong as it has nothing to do with fear at all.
    It is all about fear.

    In some cases yes, in some no. I mean lets look at Nazi Germany. They burned gays and it had nothing to do with religion. Same in Stalins Russia and other places through the century's. Much of the time religion is used as a scape goat when the religions teachings have nothing to do with what is being done.
    True. Granted it is people twisting their religious teachings to believe they have the right to treat people terribly in the name of their religion. And anti-gay beliefs are also supported by cherry picking religious teachings, all of which have been written and twisted by... man.

    Please point out where I called you out of your name? That is a rather lame and disingenuous answer.

    You asked a question and I gave an honest answer that said "it makes you look," unlike you.
    You accused me of righteous indignation, whose definition is: "Righteous indignation is typically a reactive emotion of anger over perceived mistreatment, insult, or malice." Your accusing me of this demonstrates "your" inability to control your emotions, probably because you know I'm right when I say anti-gay attitudes are based in fear, and spinning this label on me when it is you with the indignation.

    "It makes you look" is a veiled way to inject a personal attack as this is your personal opinion.
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    Re: Should Same Sex People be allowed to Marry

    Quote Originally Posted by ADK_Forever View Post
    It is all about fear.
    You can continue with the erroneous blanket statements, but it really proves nothing but your own bigotry.

    Quote Originally Posted by ADK_Forever View Post
    True. Granted it is people twisting their religious teachings to believe they have the right to treat people terribly in the name of their religion. And anti-gay beliefs are also supported by cherry picking religious teachings, all of which have been written and twisted by... man.
    None of the statements in the Bible about homosexuality have been twisted. It is kind of hard to misinterpret "a man shall not lie with a man as he does with a woman," etc.

    Quote Originally Posted by ADK_Forever View Post
    You accused me of righteous indignation, whose definition is: "Righteous indignation is typically a reactive emotion of anger over perceived mistreatment, insult, or malice." Your accusing me of this demonstrates "your" inability to control your emotions, probably because you know I'm right when I say anti-gay attitudes are based in fear, and spinning this label on me when it is you with the indignation.
    OK you have not a clue about what I said. I did not even imply anything you are stating. You are obviously a liar, and have proved such with this statement.

    Quote Originally Posted by ADK_Forever View Post
    "It makes you look" is a veiled way to inject a personal attack as this is your personal opinion.
    I did not attack anything. You asked why, I told you.

    If I said something like "You are an idiot because you don't know the difference between an ad hom and an attack on your illogical rant." That would have been a personal attack, not what I said. I did not even imply some kind of attack hidden or otherwise with my initial statement.

    Keep up with the lies. You only dishonor yourself and your own integrity.
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    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
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    Re: Should Same Sex People be allowed to Marry

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    None of the statements in the Bible about homosexuality have been twisted. It is kind of hard to misinterpret "a man shall not lie with a man as he does with a woman," etc.
    It's just as clear as ""do not plant your field with two kinds of seed" or "do not wear clothing woven of two kinds of material" (Leviticus 19:19). My Bible has this commandment and the one you mention ON THE SAME PAGE.

    Just for the record, it's likely that "lie with a man as you do a woman" has only to do with one kind of sexual act, the one act that ancient peoples associated with heterosexual sex. And it had a purpose--to make sure as many sperm as possible got a fair shot at fertilizing an egg. We needed more people back then. Now we have something of an oversupply.

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    Re: Should Same Sex People be allowed to Marry

    Quote Originally Posted by Rassales View Post
    It's just as clear as ""do not plant your field with two kinds of seed" or "do not wear clothing woven of two kinds of material" (Leviticus 19:19). My Bible has this commandment and the one you mention ON THE SAME PAGE.
    To bad the OT laws do not apply to modern Gentiles.

    That was Gods laws for the Israelites.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rassales View Post
    Just for the record, it's likely that "lie with a man as you do a woman" has only to do with one kind of sexual act, the one act that ancient peoples associated with heterosexual sex.
    That is utter hogwash.

    A man can NOT have sex for breading with another man.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rassales View Post
    And it had a purpose--to make sure as many sperm as possible got a fair shot at fertilizing an egg. We needed more people back then. Now we have something of an oversupply.
    So what?
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    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
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    Re: Should Same Sex People be allowed to Marry

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Marriage is a sociological institution. The religious aspect is a part, not an alternative whole. The legal aspect is a part, not an alternative whole. The personal relationship is a part, not an alternative whole.

    Attempting to separate the parts and represent them as independent wholes is dishonest.
    Why is it that you can be married in the eyes of whatever God you worship but if the government doesn't recognize it through it's bureaucracy, you're not recognized by society as being married? I think it is you who is being dishonest. Marriage is a purely sociological institution. The religious aspect is applied by some. Not all. I'm not religious. And I'm married to me. My wife is religious. And she is married. Are we less married than you were? No, we're not.
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    Re: Should Same Sex People be allowed to Marry

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    You can continue with the erroneous blanket statements, but it really proves nothing but your own bigotry.
    Ok, let me get this straight. You're accusing me of bigotry for wanting the same rights for everyone. While you think you are not a bigot, or acting out of fear, for wanting to grant rights to a select group of people because of characteristics they were born with.

    Uhhh... ok.

    None of the statements in the Bible about homosexuality have been twisted. It is kind of hard to misinterpret "a man shall not lie with a man as he does with a woman," etc.
    You actually think you know what any biblical statements mean? Let's see now, this is a book written several thousands of years ago by scores of men and/or women, interpreted thousands of times, rewritten how many times and all this in a time when "an eye for an eye" was the law of the land and "spare the rod spoil the child" is interpreted as an excuse to beat children?

    C'MON MANNNN!

    You are obviously a liar
    I'm not an expert here but, this sounds like a personal attack to me.

    Keep up with the lies.
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    Your fear of gays and lesbians is as obvious as your lack of control when confronted with the reasons for your own bigotry.
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