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    Re: Should Same Sex People be allowed to Marry

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    If you don't like gay 'marriage, don't marry a gay; if you don't like abortion, don't have one; if you don't like slavery, don't own one; if you don't like child support, don't pay it

    Gotta love that logic
    Most of what you say above is fine... but remember, there are always consequences for actions taken.

    I was enjoying my exchange with Zef, but I guess he realized the trap he fell into and stopped responding, so I sprang another, just like the OP did.
    Look, your opinion that the OP is a "trap" is not shared by others. I'm sorry you have a problem with the thread, but my suggestion stands.


    There are new threads on this topic? As in 'made within the last 48 hours'? Thanks Capt'n I'll check that out
    I didn't say "made within the last 48 hours"; I said there are other active threads on this topic. That's all.
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    Re: Should Same Sex People be allowed to Marry

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    I didn't say "made within the last 48 hours"; I said there are other active threads on this topic. That's all.
    Right, they're old, meaning they've already been beating the dead horse for a while.

    This thread is the fresh meat

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    Re: Should Same Sex People be allowed to Marry

    Besides, if you bother to check the url for that img, you'll see it came from funnyjunck.com.......... obviously satire


    Reading your response to it was like reading people who get pissed off over something said on the Daily Show
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    Re: Should Same Sex People be allowed to Marry

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Besides, if you bother to check the url for that img, you'll see it came from funnyjunck.com.......... obviously satire
    And some people who see that will accept is as truth. It fits in with some stereotypes that are presented by folks who are anti-gay. Heck, we've seen people at DP claim that there is a correlation between gays and pedophiles. There's a lot of propagandatized misinformation out there. Often something satirical can be used that way. It was not obviously satire. A disclaimer would have been helpful.
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    Re: Should Same Sex People be allowed to Marry

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    And some people who see that will accept is as truth. It fits in with some stereotypes that are presented by folks who are anti-gay. Heck, we've seen people at DP claim that there is a correlation between gays and pedophiles. There's a lot of propagandatized misinformation out there. Often something satirical can be used that way. It was not obviously satire. A disclaimer would have been helpful.
    It's as I said on another thread: well thought-out posts go ignored, while off-the-cuff commentary or pic get's all the attention.

    I've just spent some time considering my position on marriage and posted what I thought was on-topic and elevating even if not on the level of a True Debate, and what happened? The pic got all the attention, not the posts which took thought and effort.

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    Re: Should Same Sex People be allowed to Marry

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    It's as I said on another thread: well thought-out posts go ignored, while off-the-cuff commentary or pic get's all the attention.

    I've just spent some time considering my position on marriage and posted what I thought was on-topic and elevating even if not on the level of a True Debate, and what happened? The pic got all the attention, not the posts which took thought and effort.

    It's not your fault, but it is the theme of DP.
    See, I disagree. I think well thought out posts get addressed pretty consistently. One key factor though, is that they need to be formatted well and they cannot be too long. However, inflammatory posts will always garner more attention, simply because they inflame and because people are here to debate/argue. The more passionate the position, and the more inflammatory the post, the more reactive the response.

    The direction of this and several other gay marriage threads can often get raised to the level of a True Debate. I have most of them logged as they are some of my favorite debates. Often, though, all it takes is ONE bating post or poster to create problems. I am a firm believer in debunking misinformation. Allowing it to stand, unchallenged gives it credence. That's what happened here.
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    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
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    Re: Should Same Sex People be allowed to Marry

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    See, I disagree. I think well thought out posts get addressed pretty consistently. One key factor though, is that they need to be formatted well and they cannot be too long. However, inflammatory posts will always garner more attention, simply because they inflame and because people are here to debate/argue. The more passionate the position, and the more inflammatory the post, the more reactive the response.

    The direction of this and several other gay marriage threads can often get raised to the level of a True Debate. I have most of them logged as they are some of my favorite debates. Often, though, all it takes is ONE bating post or poster to create problems. I am a firm believer in debunking misinformation. Allowing it to stand, unchallenged gives it credence. That's what happened here.
    It follows that since my honest position on gay 'marriage void of passion and conflict that it would be passed by.

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    Re: Should Same Sex People be allowed to Marry

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    It follows that since my honest position on gay 'marriage void of passion and conflict that it would be passed by.
    That's not exactly what I said. Positions of passion and/or conflict tend to create responses towards bait/inflammatory posts. That doesn't mean reasonable, lower key posts don't get responded to, nor does it mean that those who post those posts do not have passion.

    If it wasn't the case that you reasonable, informative posts don't get responded to, you wouldn't have gotten into the positive debate you did with Zyph... or with me many times in the past.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    It a person has faith they dont need to convince another of it, and when a non believer is not interested in listening to the word of the lord, " you shake the dust from your sandels and move on"

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    Re: Should Same Sex People be allowed to Marry

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    "Traditional" marriage is based on a relationship which divides up the workload in the most efficient manner. This generally results in more successful marriages, which in turn results in a more successful society over all.

    You may note that most divorces come from unions which were unable to establish an effectively divided workload, for whatever reason, resulting in financial hardship. The main chore which is usually inefficient is money management, either according to who wants to earn how much or in the rules which govern how the couple decides how the money is spent.
    That's a very interesting take, but I'm pretty sure it's an obfuscation. After all, "most efficient" is pretty subjective. Research seems to indicate that marriages fail not because one partner has to shoulder an inefficient workload, but because of communication issues, particularly when the partners aren't clear with each other from the beginning what they really want.
    Certainly there are groups who have taken the division of labor to far, but that only serves to prove the rule.
    Once again, this illogical assertion about exceptions proving rules. Exceptions don't prove rules, they weaken or break them.
    Yes.

    Take Britney Spears, for example. That's a marriage which shouldn't have happened. I promote a healthy dose of pre-marital counseling which should address not only personal views but issue a fundamental level of personal finance management. The couple should walk away from such a program with not only a more intimidate understanding of each other, but also a 5-year financial plan.

    I see no reason to prohibit a gay couple from participating is such a program.
    I'm glad you wouldn't prohibit gay couples from participating in counseling, but that doesn't speak to whether you'd allow them to marry. Is this just an elaborate way to avoid the question?

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    Re: Should Same Sex People be allowed to Marry

    Quote Originally Posted by Rassales View Post
    That's a very interesting take, but I'm pretty sure it's an obfuscation.
    See Capt'n, I put thought into a post and all that happens is I get called a liar and accused of dodging when I directly answered.





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