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    Re: Should Same Sex People be allowed to Marry

    Quote Originally Posted by Skateguy View Post
    All I know is--If Gay Guys can get married, and reap the benefits, than Straight Guys should have the same rights.---I don't think either is right, but it is not my business what two people do. As long as they are all covered equally under the Law. --I'm so over special privilege for one group---and zero for another. fair is fair.
    I think it is my business, and I think that because we're talking about the rules everyone has to play by, including me.

    I entered into an institution, and if I think a group of people are not doing what the institution I'm a part of is about, I'm not going to support their entering it.

    Marriage is not about supporting just whatever sort of relationship someone wants to be in. It's about a specific type of relationship with specific goals.

    I would never stop someone from having other types of relationships, they have every right to free association as everyone else, but if they're not doing this specific type of relationship then they have no business seeking the legal buffs.
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    Re: Should Same Sex People be allowed to Marry

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    I think it is my business
    Thank God it is not. You play by your religion's rules and others can play by theirs. You do not deserve certain legal rights, because of your religion's silly rules, while denying others the same. That's hypocrisy. It's only a matter of time before people like you have to accept that fact. It's just a matter of time.
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    Re: Should Same Sex People be allowed to Marry

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Marriage is not about supporting just whatever sort of relationship someone wants to be in. It's about a specific type of relationship with specific goals.
    What are those specific goals?
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    Re: Should Same Sex People be allowed to Marry

    Quote Originally Posted by ADK_Forever View Post
    Thank God it is not.
    It actually is, because a few years ago gays put a ballot in front of me, asking for my support.

    Quote Originally Posted by ADK_Forever View Post
    You play by your religion's rules and others can play by theirs.You do not deserve certain legal rights, because of your religion's silly rules, while denying others the same. That's hypocrisy. It's only a matter of time before people like you have to accept that fact. It's just a matter of time.
    Who's talking about religion?

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    Re: Should Same Sex People be allowed to Marry

    Quote Originally Posted by Gibberish View Post
    What are those specific goals?
    If you're asking as a tangent, not as an attempt to change the subject: Marriage is about forming and maintaining the nuclear family, with the state's interest in marriage being the raising of children.

    I see no reason why gays couldn't or shouldn't be accepted if the only thing different between their relationship and a hetero couple starting a family are the sexes involved.

    Regardless of sex, couples who simply want to live together have no business getting married. We can thank childless hetero couples for enabling the modern gay 'marriage movement. Their selfishness is empowering hyper-individualism, which has proven to be a socially destructive force.
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    Re: Should Same Sex People be allowed to Marry

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Until they are granted the ability to engage fully in their right to contract and obtain a marriage license, they are not allowed to marry in all 50 states.
    Yes they are (in the traditional sense). Which is why the "controversy" is pure baloney - marriage in the traditional sense is totally unrelated to "legal marriage" (and gays can have wedding ceremonies anyway). So why is the anti-gay marriage group obsessed with "legal marriage"? If they're worried about traditions being destroyed, then they should focus their attention on liberal churches that wed gay couples.

    But go figure with those guys.

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    Re: Should Same Sex People be allowed to Marry

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Marriage is not about supporting just whatever sort of relationship someone wants to be in. It's about a specific type of relationship with specific goals.
    And yet two people of opposite sexes may have any number of sorts of relationships, many sorts of which you might not approve, and yet they are married. A man and a woman can have an open relationship. They can agree never to have children. A gay man and a lesbian can get married with the intention of sleeping with members of their own sex.

    At one time, the traditional marriage where the woman stayed home and the man worked was the only sort people thought of, and for a woman to work outside the home was considered close to a scandal. This argument for the traditional is just silly and it was betrayed long ago by heterosexuals (it pretty much all changed in the first half of the 20th century, though it didn't come to full fruition until the early seventies.
    I would never stop someone from having other types of relationships, they have every right to free association as everyone else, but if they're not doing this specific type of relationship then they have no business seeking the legal buffs.
    So you would also deny marriage licenses to any heterosexual couples whose intentions for their marriage don't line up with your own views?

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    Re: Should Same Sex People be allowed to Marry

    Quote Originally Posted by Rassales View Post
    And yet two people of opposite sexes may have any number of sorts of relationships, many sorts of which you might not approve, and yet they are married. A man and a woman can have an open relationship. They can agree never to have children. A gay man and a lesbian can get married with the intention of sleeping with members of their own sex.

    At one time, the traditional marriage where the woman stayed home and the man worked was the only sort people thought of, and for a woman to work outside the home was considered close to a scandal. This argument for the traditional is just silly and it was betrayed long ago by heterosexuals (it pretty much all changed in the first half of the 20th century, though it didn't come to full fruition until the early seventies.
    "Traditional" marriage is based on a relationship which divides up the workload in the most efficient manner. This generally results in more successful marriages, which in turn results in a more successful society over all.

    You may note that most divorces come from unions which were unable to establish an effectively divided workload, for whatever reason, resulting in financial hardship. The main chore which is usually inefficient is money management, either according to who wants to earn how much or in the rules which govern how the couple decides how the money is spent.

    Certainly there are groups who have taken the division of labor to far, but that only serves to prove the rule.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rassales View Post
    So you would also deny marriage licenses to any heterosexual couples whose intentions for their marriage don't line up with your own views?
    Yes.

    Take Britney Spears, for example. That's a marriage which shouldn't have happened. I promote a healthy dose of pre-marital counseling which should address not only personal views but issue a fundamental level of personal finance management. The couple should walk away from such a program with not only a more intimidate understanding of each other, but also a 5-year financial plan.

    I see no reason to prohibit a gay couple from participating is such a program.
    Last edited by Jerry; 01-16-10 at 07:57 PM.

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    Re: Should Same Sex People be allowed to Marry

    The Fourteenth Amendment protects against discrimination. Saying that marriage doesn't include a Same-Sex Option is like saying the Missionary Position doesn't include a Same-Sex option.

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    Re: Should Same Sex People be allowed to Marry

    Quote Originally Posted by Areopagitican View Post
    The Fourteenth Amendment protects against discrimination. Saying that marriage doesn't include a Same-Sex Option is like saying the Missionary Position doesn't include a Same-Sex option.
    Marital status is also a protected class, so I trust you have no problem with polygamy?

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