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    Re: Should Same Sex People be allowed to Marry

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    It certainly does.

    Bans on polygamy have everything to do with religious/personal bias and nothing to do with the Constitution, since the Constitution doesn't address marriage explicitly and marriage is covered under the Full Faith and Credit clause and the Ninth Amendment.
    See I don't have an argument against polygamy, so, it's all good imo.

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    Re: Should Same Sex People be allowed to Marry

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    No, I actually did bring it up as a legal construct. You failed to see how it is relevant.

    So you deny that religion is a federally protected class? You deny that the 1st. Amendment affords the constitutional right of polygamists to marry if they choose?
    I know you brought it up as a legal construct.

    It was just erroneous and wrong as one. Its NOT relevant.

    I've never denied that religion is a federally protected class. Polygamists have the right to be married, and marry the person they choose. However, they can't enter into a POLYGAMIST marriage under the law. This is not a bias against a religion, as marriage under the law has nothing to do with religion. This has to do with the structure of the law and the state interest, which there isn't for polygamist marriages.

    If one is part of a religion that believes its justified to kill a woman if she is raped they can not go forth and kill a woman and then get away with it because its allowed in their religion...because its not allowed by the LAW. They are not being discriminated against because of their religion, because the law is secular.

    Polygamists aren't discriminated against because of their religion, because the law has nothing to do with religion. This is not an analogy to homosexuals, because the law specifically DOES have something to do with the sex of the individual.

    The only way religion, and thus religious expression, could be violated is if the religion...which is a private institution...is infringed upon in some form.

    Sorry Jerry, you're just showing your ignorance of this subject here.

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    Re: Should Same Sex People be allowed to Marry

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Marriage has always been a state/legal institution.

    It's just that only recently have humans been smart enough to remove their governments from the abusive control of religions. Hence the confusion that marriage is a religious matter.

    It's not.

    It's secular.
    I actually agree with you here. Actually, no scratch that. I don't agree that it "always" has been. I think for a long time it was. I believe in reality its been a dual thing, with it becoming MUCH more pronounced in modern day.

    It's a contract between two people, and there's no practical reason what that contract should not be extended to ANY two people. I haven't read this thread, but the one thing I can guarantee is that the people opposing same-sex marriage have not provided any rational foundation for their opposition, unless this thread is somehow different from the ten thousand other threads on the same topic.
    Nope, you're pretty correct there.

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    It certainly does.

    Bans on polygamy have everything to do with religious/personal bias and nothing to do with the Constitution, since the Constitution doesn't address marriage explicitly and marriage is covered under the Full Faith and Credit clause and the Ninth Amendment.
    I don't necessarily disagree that the initial reason for bans on polygamy are religious/personal bias. However I do not believe that the only reason to disagree with making polygamy law is religious or personal bias.

    You can look at my earlier post on this discussing my views in regards to the fact that marriage under the law already discriminates based on the number of people on the low side (IE couples get more benefits than singles), that "amount of people" is not something that would be under the equal protection clause, and that the lack of government interest in providing it compare to the extreme amount of radicalized change that would be needed added to the large amount of quandries without real answers currently that would come about due to it as compared to "any 2 people" type of marriage to see my general views on why it would not work.

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    Re: Should Same Sex People be allowed to Marry

    the reason for laws against Polygamy, are quite simple---they don't want guys like Brad Pitt, gettin all the action. Ugly people need love too.---One per customer kinda thing.
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    Re: Should Same Sex People be allowed to Marry

    Quote Originally Posted by Skateguy View Post
    the reason for laws against Polygamy, are quite simple---they don't want guys like Brad Pitt, gettin all the action. Ugly people need love too.---One per customer kinda thing.
    What makes you think married guys get any action?

    I'm for gay marriage as I think they ought to have to suffer the same way we straight folks do.

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    Re: Should Same Sex People be allowed to Marry

    I believe state-sanctioned marriages should be abolished all together, but if we're going to have them then gays should be able to get married as well.

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    Re: Should Same Sex People be allowed to Marry

    Quote Originally Posted by Coronado View Post
    What makes you think married guys get any action?

    I'm for gay marriage as I think they ought to have to suffer the same way we straight folks do.
    Yep, if they think marriage is a cup of tea, they will soon experience an awakening.
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    Re: Should Same Sex People be allowed to Marry

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    I believe state-sanctioned marriages should be abolished all together, but if we're going to have them then gays should be able to get married as well.
    But are you saying, only Gay guys, or just same sex couples? I don't think there is a justification for only gay same sex couples to benefit from marriage. but rather any one that wants to, should be able to.
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    Re: Should Same Sex People be allowed to Marry

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    One would have to wonder that, if one also had absolutely no short term memory, didn't read the thread, can't remember what they wrote, or is choosing to play dumb to continue to duck out of actually having a conversation and debating and prefers to just spit out non-stop pathetic attempts at sarcastic one liners.
    Why would one have to wonder that?

    Because I didn't.

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    Sure you did, but using the oldest trick in the book the "I know you are but what am I" instead seems more your style on this subject.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Should Same Sex People be allowed to Marry

    Quote Originally Posted by Skateguy View Post
    But are you saying, only Gay guys, or just same sex couples? I don't think there is a justification for only gay same sex couples to benefit from marriage. but rather any one that wants to, should be able to.
    Sure, why not? Government benefits and recognition, in my opinion, ought to be dispersed equally amongst the populace.

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