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    Should traffic fines and other fines be based on the income the offender makes?

    Should traffic fines and other fines be based on the income the offender makes?

    Yes, no ,maybe?

    Europe slapping rich with massive traffic fines


    European countries are increasingly pegging speeding fines to income as a way to punish wealthy scofflaws who would otherwise ignore tickets.

    Advocates say a $290,000 (euro203,180.83) speeding ticket slapped on a millionaire Ferrari driver in Switzerland was a fair and well-deserved example of the trend.

    Germany, France, Austria and the Nordic countries also issue punishments based on a person's wealth. In Germany the maximum fine can be as much as $16 million compared to only $1 million in Switzerland. Only Finland regularly hands out similarly hefty fine to speeding drivers, with the current record believed to be a euro170,000 (then about $190,000) ticket in 2004.

    The Swiss court appeared to set a world record when it levied the fine in November on a man identified in the Swiss media only as "Roland S." Judges in the eastern canton of St. Gallen described him as a "traffic thug" in their verdict, which only recently came to light.

    "As far as we're concerned this is very good," Sabine Jurisch, a road safety campaigner with the Swiss group Road Cross.
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    Re: Should traffic fines and other fines be based on the income the offender makes?

    Should a punishment for murder depend on how much money I make? Should the punishment for theft depend on how much money I make? Why should this be any different?

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    Question Re: Should traffic fines and other fines be based on the income the offender makes?

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    Should a punishment for murder depend on how much money I make? Should the punishment for theft depend on how much money I make? Why should this be any different?
    Thank you!

    And I would apply this same line of questioning to my tax burden.

    Why is our tax burdens (in the U.S.) proportionate to our income rather than our useage?

    If Ross Perot or Bill Gates were in line at the grocery with you,.... and you and he were both buying a gallon of milk,... would he be expected to pay more for the milk than you are,... just because he has billions of dollars at his disposal?

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    Re: Should traffic fines and other fines be based on the income the offender makes?

    I got a $320 fine for speeding in the US, at the time there was 2$ to the , the cop was a good guy, I enjoyed the experience.

    The Mustang I was driving was good fun but very crude in comparison to the Ferrari I had then

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    Re: Should traffic fines and other fines be based on the income the offender makes?

    yes it should depend on how much you make, because the fines effect rich people less and the point of a speeding ticket is to stop you from speeding

    the system we have now hurts poor people more than rich people, it should be an equal percentage.

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    Re: Should traffic fines and other fines be based on the income the offender makes?

    Quote Originally Posted by EmpiricalTruth View Post
    yes it should depend on how much you make, because the fines effect rich people less and the point of a speeding ticket is to stop you from speeding

    the system we have now hurts poor people more than rich people, it should be an equal percentage.
    Affect.

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    Re: Should traffic fines and other fines be based on the income the offender makes?

    Quote Originally Posted by EmpiricalTruth View Post
    yes it should depend on how much you make, because the fines effect rich people less and the point of a speeding ticket is to stop you from speeding

    the system we have now hurts poor people more than rich people, it should be an equal percentage.
    The economy we have now hurts poor people more than rich people, it should be an equal percentage. I pay .00001% of my income for milk and so should you.

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    Re: Should traffic fines and other fines be based on the income the offender makes?

    How about not speeding and then a person wouldn't have to worry about it.

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    Re: Should traffic fines and other fines be based on the income the offender makes?

    The problem with fines is that for those with enough money to ignore them, they fail to act as a deterrent. However, speeding tickets also lead to license suspension, so I would say that income based fines aren't required.

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    Re: Should traffic fines and other fines be based on the income the offender makes?

    I like the idea myself. Fines are suppose to be a deterrent towards breaking the law. If some billionaire receives a $200 fine do you really think he/she cares? Not much a a deterrent there is it?

    The examples that have been given in this thread from those who are against it is outlandish really. I mean come on...milk? It's like comparing apples to steak....not even in the same hemisphere much less the same food group.
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