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    Re: Should traffic fines and other fines be based on the income the offender makes?

    Do we give out tickets on the basis that they are a deterrent for speeding or do we give them out in order to make people pay for the threat that they are causing to other people?

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    Re: Should traffic fines and other fines be based on the income the offender makes?

    Isn't this a form of profiling?

    Why is it acceptable to use this type of profiling but not racial profiling?
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    Re: Should traffic fines and other fines be based on the income the offender makes?

    Maybe we should give old people shorter jail sentences, since they have less time to live.

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    Re: Should traffic fines and other fines be based on the income the offender makes?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Isn't this a form of profiling?
    No.

    Profiling happens before a crime is committed. You can't get pulled on suspicion of speeding, just speeding.

    And profiling involves some characteristic of the driver that's obvious. It's hard to target high income drivers. Perhaps they are targeting Lexus's instead of beat up Volkswagens?

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    Re: Should traffic fines and other fines be based on the income the offender makes?

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    Should a punishment for murder depend on how much money I make? Should the punishment for theft depend on how much money I make? Why should this be any different?
    Murder and theft both harm another person, so the punishments have an element of retribution. A speeding ticket, by contrast, is purely punitive, designed only to be a deterrent, and in no way meant to reimburse someone else for a wrong done to him.

    The risk of a prison sentence will be an approximately equal deterrent for all citizens (except for some of the homeless ones). But the same monetary fine can be devastating for some and negligible for others. If the point of the punishment is deterrence, then it should be issued according to the offender's ability to absorb it, not just according to the offense.

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    Re: Should traffic fines and other fines be based on the income the offender makes?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    Maybe we should give old people shorter jail sentences, since they have less time to live.
    It depends: is the jail sentence for society's protection (keeping the prisoner away from people he might harm), or is it only to inflict punishment on the convict?

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    Re: Should traffic fines and other fines be based on the income the offender makes?

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    Do we give out tickets on the basis that they are a deterrent for speeding or do we give them out in order to make people pay for the threat that they are causing to other people?
    We give out tickets to make more money for the State.
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    Re: Should traffic fines and other fines be based on the income the offender makes?

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    No.

    Profiling happens before a crime is committed. You can't get pulled on suspicion of speeding, just speeding.

    And profiling involves some characteristic of the driver that's obvious. It's hard to target high income drivers. Perhaps they are targeting Lexus's instead of beat up Volkswagens?
    It's assuming that because someone makes more money, they won't understand the effect of the punishment.

    Who's to say they won't and why do we always assume that rich people are mustache twisting law breakers?

    I think that they will be targeted because of that, look at the income tax, they are targeted first for all tax increases.
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    Re: Should traffic fines and other fines be based on the income the offender makes?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    We give out tickets to make more money for the State.
    Ultimately yes. We apparently don't know what the goal of prisons are in our society. There is no consensus. Is it revenge, punishment (kind of blurry between these two options), corrections? There doesn't seem to be a real theory that we follow when it comes to this. Traffic fines are like correction, the death penalty is like revenge, and everything in between seems to be punishment.

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    Re: Should traffic fines and other fines be based on the income the offender makes?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Should traffic fines and other fines be based on the income the offender makes?

    Yes, no ,maybe?

    Europe slapping rich with massive traffic fines


    European countries are increasingly pegging speeding fines to income as a way to punish wealthy scofflaws who would otherwise ignore tickets.

    Advocates say a $290,000 (euro203,180.83) speeding ticket slapped on a millionaire Ferrari driver in Switzerland was a fair and well-deserved example of the trend.

    Germany, France, Austria and the Nordic countries also issue punishments based on a person's wealth. In Germany the maximum fine can be as much as $16 million compared to only $1 million in Switzerland. Only Finland regularly hands out similarly hefty fine to speeding drivers, with the current record believed to be a euro170,000 (then about $190,000) ticket in 2004.

    The Swiss court appeared to set a world record when it levied the fine in November on a man identified in the Swiss media only as "Roland S." Judges in the eastern canton of St. Gallen described him as a "traffic thug" in their verdict, which only recently came to light.

    "As far as we're concerned this is very good," Sabine Jurisch, a road safety campaigner with the Swiss group Road Cross.
    And, as usual, our nation is lagging behind.
    And, yes!, I agree with the Europeans.
    In America, its the poor who are likely to be pulled over for an offense, and there are reasons for this.
    These reasons must be known, exactly, and scientifically.
    There should always be a positive outcome.

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