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    Re: Should traffic fines and other fines be based on the income the offender makes?

    Quote Originally Posted by Barbbtx View Post
    Doesn't anyone see that when the rich are treated unfairly it hurts employees and consumers? That $20,000 you want to charge for a speeding ticket is $20,000 that will be passed on to employees (no bonuses, raises etc.) The consumer (raise prices to recoup the loss) doesn't go on vacation (hurts, hotel staff, travel agents etc.) Doesn't buy a new car (hurts auto workers) Believe me, he won't say "oh well I guess I'm just $20,000 poorer. He will cut back somewhere.


    I've never worked for a poor person. If people really want to be put back to work, we need to stop demonizing and stealing from the people who pay the wages and the ones who spend money on luxeries.
    By the way, I am poor, but I believe in freedom and the right to pursue happiness. I don't begrudge others money they have worked for.
    That poor person who is fined $200 will not be able to buy clothes,food or any thing else or anything else he considers to be luxuries to him and that is $200 a shop owner will not be able to see. I can use that argument too. The trickle down effect is irrelevant.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Should traffic fines and other fines be based on the income the offender makes?

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Does a wealthy person have better odds of getting off on appeal?
    Was Stanly "Tookie" Williams rich when he spent 26 years on death row trying to weasel out of sentence?
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Should traffic fines and other fines be based on the income the offender makes?

    The $6.00 speeding ticket my girlfriend's rich cousin in Costa Rica got meant nothing to him but a good laugh. It sure didn't slow him down!

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    Re: Should traffic fines and other fines be based on the income the offender makes?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Was Stanly "Tookie" Williams rich when he spent 26 years on death row trying to weasel out of sentence?
    I dunna know don't care. One case does not make an argument. On average would you say a wealthy person has better odds of winning on appeal?

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    Re: Should traffic fines and other fines be based on the income the offender makes?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    You messed that part up.


    100/200,000 =.0005

    .0005 *100 = .05%

    Where did I mess up?
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    Re: Should traffic fines and other fines be based on the income the offender makes?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Should traffic fines and other fines be based on the income the offender makes?

    Yes, no ,maybe?

    Europe slapping rich with massive traffic fines


    European countries are increasingly pegging speeding fines to income as a way to punish wealthy scofflaws who would otherwise ignore tickets.

    Advocates say a $290,000 (euro203,180.83) speeding ticket slapped on a millionaire Ferrari driver in Switzerland was a fair and well-deserved example of the trend.

    Germany, France, Austria and the Nordic countries also issue punishments based on a person's wealth. In Germany the maximum fine can be as much as $16 million compared to only $1 million in Switzerland. Only Finland regularly hands out similarly hefty fine to speeding drivers, with the current record believed to be a euro170,000 (then about $190,000) ticket in 2004.

    The Swiss court appeared to set a world record when it levied the fine in November on a man identified in the Swiss media only as "Roland S." Judges in the eastern canton of St. Gallen described him as a "traffic thug" in their verdict, which only recently came to light.

    "As far as we're concerned this is very good," Sabine Jurisch, a road safety campaigner with the Swiss group Road Cross.
    not a bad idea, actually. i've never thought about this, but if the intent is to deter future offenses, this makes perfect sense.

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    Re: Should traffic fines and other fines be based on the income the offender makes?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post


    100/200,000 =.0005

    .0005 *100 = .05%

    Where did I mess up?
    "one is getting fined 0.5% of his income while the other is getting fined 0.05% of his income.Obviously the person being fined 0.5% of his income had a harsher penalty than the person being fined 0.05% of his income. "
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Should traffic fines and other fines be based on the income the offender makes?

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    I dunna know don't care. One case does not make an argument. On average would you say a wealthy person has better odds of winning on appeal?
    I do not know if rich people get more appeals or not. Is there any statistics?
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Should traffic fines and other fines be based on the income the offender makes?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    I do not know if rich people get more appeals or not. Is there any statistics?
    That's not quite my argument. My argument is that on a murder wrap life in prison a wealthy person can afford better representation increasing the odds of either beating the murder charge or winning on an appeal.

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    Re: Should traffic fines and other fines be based on the income the offender makes?

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    That's not quite my argument. My argument is that on a murder wrap life in prison a wealthy person can afford better representation increasing the odds of either beating the murder charge or winning on an appeal.
    If there is no evidence to back up that claim then how can you claim that a person's wealth effects the the appeals they get?
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

    Cicero Marcus Tullius

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