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    Re: Should traffic fines and other fines be based on the income the offender makes?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    From a constitutional/legal perspective, such a law would never hold up in this country. It would violate the idea of everyone being treated the same under the law.
    I actually don't see how this is everyone being 'treated the same under the law'. Oh to be sure, the letter of the law, everyone is being treated the same. But, the spirit of the law? Anyone who thinks so is simply being stubborn.

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    Re: Should traffic fines and other fines be based on the income the offender makes?

    I do think this is a problem. Perhaps the solution is to make everyone do community service work instead of pay fines. Everyone would do the same number of community service hours. Everyone draws their service assignment from a lottery. No one gets to pay to get out of it, and no one gets to pay someone else to do it for them. Everyone is treated 'equally' under the letter of the law.

    Suddenly we would have a hue and cry about it being unfair to the disabled, the infirm, pregnant women, people who can't take time from their jobs etc. and so forth. Now, why would that happen, do you suppose? Would it be because GASP, it has a greater effect on some people as opposed to others? Well, by golly, we've just established our rationale for higher fines on the wealthy.

    A rationale all of us knew was valid in the first place, but we're so brainwashed we often can't see it.

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    Re: Should traffic fines and other fines be based on the income the offender makes?

    It is just a means to fleece as much money as possible, as usual......
    The real solution should be no fine & some sort of mandatory commmunity service, that way everyone is treated equally & no one skates.....
    Of course that wouldn't do anything to slake GUBMINT's insatiable thirst for revenue, so the liklyhood of that happening is nil........
    Part of the problem is that the people making the laws are often insulated by their wealth or staus....

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    Re: Should traffic fines and other fines be based on the income the offender makes?

    I think you guys are completely missing the point of traffic fines. Most of the time, you donít get a speeding ticket because it makes it safer to drive down the road, you get a speeding ticket because itís the end of the month and the cops have quotas to fill.

    In many cities, speed limits are artificially reduced specifically to increase the number of speeders they can pull over. There are studies that show it is more dangerous to drive on these roads because it increases the variance between the what people feel is the appropriate speed (which 70% will follow) and the posted limit (which 30% will abide by when there isnít a cop or camera around).

    I strongly advocate making this practice illegal (increasing police revenues by reducing public safety), which would be more palatable to the public if we didnít reduce overall police funding. Letting the doughnut squad extort a larger portion of their monthly quota from rich people to accomplish this is fine by me.

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    Re: Should traffic fines and other fines be based on the income the offender makes?

    Yes, it seems like a good idea. Speeding tickets would then be a more effective deterrent to the rich.
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    Re: Should traffic fines and other fines be based on the income the offender makes?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    I like the idea myself. Fines are suppose to be a deterrent towards breaking the law. If some billionaire receives a $200 fine do you really think he/she cares? Not much a a deterrent there is it?

    The examples that have been given in this thread from those who are against it is outlandish really. I mean come on...milk? It's like comparing apples to steak....not even in the same hemisphere much less the same food group.
    Why does everyone seem to want to punish those who have accumulated wealth? It's as if it's a crime to get educated and to strive to get ahead in life. More and more Americans seem to think it is their right to steal from the rich. They somehow feel entitled to other people's property.
    It's those with money who provide jobs, vacations, raises, promotions and healthcare to people with their own money. The rich are the ones that spend money on things like cars, boats, planes, vacations, dining out, fancy clothes etc. that keep people working.
    This administration wants to destroy the economy so more and more people will depend on entitlements and will continue to vote them in. The problem is, any so called "right" the govt. gives, can also be taken away. They WANT us to hate the rich, so they will gain more and more power over our lives.
    The rich are taxed enough and now you want to punish them even more for a speeding ticket??? Sounds pretty unfair to me.

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    Re: Should traffic fines and other fines be based on the income the offender makes?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    From a constitutional/legal perspective, such a law would never hold up in this country. It would violate the idea of everyone being treated the same under the law.
    Not if you charged the same percentage. For example you make speeding 1% of income,so someone making 20,000 pays $200 and someone making $2,000,000 pays $20,000. We live in a country that has a graduated income tax system and as far as I know no judge has struck it down, so surely a flat percentage fine would be deemed constitutional even if some liberal jacked it up to a graduated percentage system.
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    Re: Should traffic fines and other fines be based on the income the offender makes?

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    Should a punishment for murder depend on how much money I make? Should the punishment for theft depend on how much money I make? Why should this be any different?
    The difference is, theft and murder are not punishable by fines.

    As things stand, poor people are more heavily punished by fines in general than rich people for the same offenses.

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    Re: Should traffic fines and other fines be based on the income the offender makes?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    From a constitutional/legal perspective, such a law would never hold up in this country. It would violate the idea of everyone being treated the same under the law.
    Income taxes are unconstitutional/illegal?

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    Re: Should traffic fines and other fines be based on the income the offender makes?

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    Should a punishment for murder depend on how much money I make? Should the punishment for theft depend on how much money I make? Why should this be any different?
    Those crimes are not punishable with fines and those punishments apply regardless of the income one makes and have the same effect regardless of the income one makes. Speeding and other traffic violations are punishable with fines as a form of punishment. So it is not the same. If speeding,other traffic violations and other fineable offenses were only punishable with jail or prison time instead of fines then you would have a point.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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