View Poll Results: Should traffic fines and other fines be based on the income one makes?

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    Re: Should traffic fines and other fines be based on the income the offender makes?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    why do you spend so much time worrying about how to get more money out of the rich

    speeding tickets are revenue enhancers. speeding is not inherently wrong-they are Malum prohibitum not malum per se in other words speeding is illegal because the law says it is not because it is inherently wrong (like murder, rape or armed robbery)

    in fact speeding isn't even immoral. if you speed you should pay the same fine as everyone else
    If speeding isn't immoral .. why do you think there are speed limits? I believe the argument goes something like this: since speeding hat a higher potential for more severe accidents, reducing ones speed should lower the risk and severity of an accident.

    Also, I do not think we were questioning the morality of speeding .. I think we were talking about making sure to apply appropriate, effective and fair consequences to all citizens, instead of allowing the rich to suffer more from a fine and letting the wealthy throw a few, painless dollars (relatively speaking) for the same infraction.

    Additionally, there are more infractions than simply speeding and such fair punishment practices should be applied to those as well.

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    Re: Should traffic fines and other fines be based on the income the offender makes?

    Should not the rich and wealthy be setting a good example of behavior that the poor should be following ?
    Things are strange in our nation...Do we really think is OK that one man pays a 1% speeding fine and another pays a 10% ?
    Fair ??

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    Re: Should traffic fines and other fines be based on the income the offender makes?

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    Should not the rich and wealthy be setting a good example of behavior that the poor should be following ?
    Things are strange in our nation...Do we really think is OK that one man pays a 1% speeding fine and another pays a 10% ?
    Fair ??

    If the fine is 35$ who endures more hardship, they guy with a 1000$ or the guy with 100$?

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    Re: Should traffic fines and other fines be based on the income the offender makes?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chuz Life View Post
    Thank you!

    And I would apply this same line of questioning to my tax burden.

    Why is our tax burdens (in the U.S.) proportionate to our income rather than our useage?

    If Ross Perot or Bill Gates were in line at the grocery with you,.... and you and he were both buying a gallon of milk,... would he be expected to pay more for the milk than you are,... just because he has billions of dollars at his disposal?
    the ones who pay more tax should have more votes.

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    Re: Should traffic fines and other fines be based on the income the offender makes?

    Quote Originally Posted by B L Zeebub View Post
    I got a $320 fine for speeding in the US, at the time there was 2$ to the , the cop was a good guy, I enjoyed the experience.

    The Mustang I was driving was good fun but very crude in comparison to the Ferrari I had then
    i prefer my ferrarri too a mustang to.

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    Re: Should traffic fines and other fines be based on the income the offender makes?

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    Should not the rich and wealthy be setting a good example of behavior that the poor should be following ?
    Things are strange in our nation...Do we really think is OK that one man pays a 1% speeding fine and another pays a 10% ?
    Fair ??
    it is to some folks

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    Re: Should traffic fines and other fines be based on the income the offender makes?

    Quote Originally Posted by Basher View Post
    the ones who pay more tax should have more votes.
    Why? Would it not be more advantageous to have those with higher I.Q.'s or higher grades in high school or college given more votes (that is if we were forced to mess with the voting system)? What you are suggesting only allows the wealthy to be even more greedy via more power than they already have in voting. Its bad enough that politicians are already far too influenced by the wealthy as they rely on their campaign contributions?

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    Re: Should traffic fines and other fines be based on the income the offender makes?

    Quote Originally Posted by Basher View Post
    the ones who pay more tax should have more votes.
    How elitist of you.

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    Re: Should traffic fines and other fines be based on the income the offender makes?

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    The problem with fines is that for those with enough money to ignore them, they fail to act as a deterrent. However, speeding tickets also lead to license suspension, so I would say that income based fines aren't required.
    Do you propose no fining for anyone then? Why is it that you think fines were imposed in the first place?

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    Re: Should traffic fines and other fines be based on the income the offender makes?

    I understand some of the arguments, so here's what I think -

    For things that are purchased, sold, etc. everything should be the same. For fines and penalties for breaking the law, it should be based on income. There is no punishment for buying milk, but there should be punishment for speeding.

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