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    Re: Should traffic fines and other fines be based on the income the offender makes?

    Quote Originally Posted by MusicAdventurer View Post
    I believe that the wealthy should definitely pay more for any illegal action than the poor. It should be a percentage of your income. Of course, there would have to be built-in protections to guard against police officers going after the wealthy more frequently in order to gain more finances. Punishment for an illegal act should be severe enough to deter the citizen from doing such an act again. A $100 to $200 fine is a lot for someone in poverty, but is chump change for anyone making 250K and up. So my answer is YES YES YES ... BUT incorporate safeguards .. good poll post jamesrag
    so a young healthy man should do more time in prison than an old sick one for the same offense.

    equal treatment goes out the window with the class envy nonsense

    and one could make an argument that those who are big tax payers ought to get certain benefits from the government such as not being fined for minor traffic infractions



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    Re: Should traffic fines and other fines be based on the income the offender makes?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mason66 View Post
    Did you read the definition of poor?

    Poor is having no money.
    Poor is having LITTLE or no money,goods, or other means of support. Not the absence of money,goods or other means of support. The term you are looking for is broke meaning without money.

    Poor | Define Poor at Dictionary.com
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    having little or no money, goods, or other means of support: a poor family living on welfare.



    Broke | Define Broke at Dictionary.com
    4.
    without money; penniless.
    If somebody works, and I assume they get paid for their work, they are not poor.

    Call them something else.

    The point is that if they don't have reserves enough to cover whatever comes up, they should not be onthe road.
    You are trying to argue that having a job makes one not poor?
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    Re: Should traffic fines and other fines be based on the income the offender makes?

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    Should a punishment for murder depend on how much money I make? Should the punishment for theft depend on how much money I make? Why should this be any different?
    Argument by analogy only convinces people who already agree with you.
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    Re: Should traffic fines and other fines be based on the income the offender makes?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dezaad View Post
    I do think this is a problem. Perhaps the solution is to make everyone do community service work instead of pay fines. Everyone would do the same number of community service hours. Everyone draws their service assignment from a lottery. No one gets to pay to get out of it, and no one gets to pay someone else to do it for them. Everyone is treated 'equally' under the letter of the law.
    If time is money, how is it different? Certainly someone who make more money per unit of time loses more from lost time than someone who makes less.
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    Re: Should traffic fines and other fines be based on the income the offender makes?

    Quote Originally Posted by Barbbtx View Post
    Why does everyone seem to want to punish those who have accumulated wealth?
    I think that the punishment in this case is reserved for people who break the traffic laws. ymmv.
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    Re: Should traffic fines and other fines be based on the income the offender makes?

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    More attempts at class envy. Poor people don't benefit when rich pay more do they?
    I don't think the intention is to benefit the poor. I may be mistaken, but I suspect that the intent is to adequately deter poor driving. I am not a physicist nor a physician, but I suspect that reckless driving can lead to an accident that can kill you just as fast if you have $10 in you name or $10bil.

    Perhaps I using the wrong lenses to view this argument.
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    Re: Should traffic fines and other fines be based on the income the offender makes?

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    Do we give out tickets on the basis that they are a deterrent for speeding or do we give them out in order to make people pay for the threat that they are causing to other people?
    Can I pay in advance for driving poorly? I am planning on switching lanes without notice while travelling in excess of the posted speed limit and I am willing to pay now for my chance to drive poorly next week.
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    Re: Should traffic fines and other fines be based on the income the offender makes?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Who's to say they won't and why do we always assume that rich people are mustache twisting law breakers?
    Afaict, we're not talking about "the rich" we're talking about law breakers who make a lot of money.
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    Re: Should traffic fines and other fines be based on the income the offender makes?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Tickets don't stop anyone from speeding.
    May not stop anyone, but they sure stop me. I realized a while back that speeding doesn't really provide that much benefit to me, but does incur avoidable risks including getting ticket. I have proudly driven like grandpa for a couple of decades now.
    ymmv.
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    Re: Should traffic fines and other fines be based on the income the offender makes?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    so a young healthy man should do more time in prison than an old sick one for the same offense.
    Don't they already have a way to let old sick prisoners out to die?

    Don't judges take thing like age and ability into account when sentencing?

    There was an old lady, in her 80s or 90s, who lived next to Central high who got busted dealing drugs more than once. The courts didn't want to be responsible for her, so she would not get any jail time despite being a repeat offender. If she had been 25 yrsold, and healthy she would have received a different sentence. Course, she prob'ly wouldn't've been dealing if she didn't think she could get away with it.
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