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    Re: Should traffic fines and other fines be based on the income the offender makes?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mason66 View Post
    People here saying a "poor" person would have to pay more of their income for a traffic fine.

    Here is the definition of poor

    poor   /pʊər/ Show Spelled
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    1. having little or no money, goods, or other means of support: a poor family living on welfare.
    2. Law . dependent upon charity or public support.
    3. (of a country, institution, etc.) meagerly supplied or endowed with resources or funds.

    Using that definition, how could a poor person be driving.
    You never heard of used cars,auctions or charities?
    Driving costs money and if a person does not have the money to pay for insurance, any damage they cause or any fines they get, they should not be driving.
    People do drive without insurance and many poor people can afford 40-50 bucks a month for insurance.
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    Re: Should traffic fines and other fines be based on the income the offender makes?

    It should be based on the severity of the traffic crime.

    Example.. If they are going 50+ MPH in a 15 MPH school zone they should be arrested or get license suspended. 5 miles over the speed limit they should be ignored, 10 miles over they should get a warning or small fine. 20-30 they should get a large fine. Anything higher should be left to the judge to decide based on their history or severity.

    Running through a red traffic light (I don't mean flooring it when it turns yellow, I mean actually ignoring the light) should get their license suspended for reckless driving.
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    Re: Should traffic fines and other fines be based on the income the offender makes?

    Why this fascination of the rich are some of you so envious that everything to you is class warfare. No absolutely not breaking the law has no status attached to it. if a poor person pays 100.00 the a billionare that broke precisely the same law ought to pay 100.00. Get real this is utterly ridiculous.
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    Re: Should traffic fines and other fines be based on the income the offender makes?

    This is a problematic issue. I'm going to give you two perspectives.

    1) On the one hand, I'm not entirely sure that basing one's legal faults on income is a viable or just way of punishing an individual.

    2) On the other hand, I used to work in the private equity division of a major US bank. The senior member of that office was an extremely rich dude who was a member of an organization that "donated" money to the CHP (California Highway Patrol). This organization received, in exchange, a card, to carry in member's wallets, that would, essentially, enable them to avoid any and all traffic penalties. I heard my boss, at one point (when talking to another rich buddy of his), brag about the fact that he was caught driving at 110 mph down a California highway in his ridiculously expensive sports car, and managed to avoid a ticket entirely because he held a membership in this organization. In short, we've managed to institutionalize bribery. Put another way, this guy, my former employer, had essentially worked himself into a position that he felt he was immune from traffic violations entirely because he was rich. People like him deserve to be punished. It makes sense that he'd be punished more than people who don't feel they're entitled to endanger the rest of us just because they've got money.

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    Re: Should traffic fines and other fines be based on the income the offender makes?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Should traffic fines and other fines be based on the income the offender makes?

    Yes, no ,maybe?

    Europe slapping rich with massive traffic fines


    European countries are increasingly pegging speeding fines to income as a way to punish wealthy scofflaws who would otherwise ignore tickets.

    Advocates say a $290,000 (euro203,180.83) speeding ticket slapped on a millionaire Ferrari driver in Switzerland was a fair and well-deserved example of the trend.

    Germany, France, Austria and the Nordic countries also issue punishments based on a person's wealth. In Germany the maximum fine can be as much as $16 million compared to only $1 million in Switzerland. Only Finland regularly hands out similarly hefty fine to speeding drivers, with the current record believed to be a euro170,000 (then about $190,000) ticket in 2004.

    The Swiss court appeared to set a world record when it levied the fine in November on a man identified in the Swiss media only as "Roland S." Judges in the eastern canton of St. Gallen described him as a "traffic thug" in their verdict, which only recently came to light.

    "As far as we're concerned this is very good," Sabine Jurisch, a road safety campaigner with the Swiss group Road Cross.
    I believe that the wealthy should definitely pay more for any illegal action than the poor. It should be a percentage of your income. Of course, there would have to be built-in protections to guard against police officers going after the wealthy more frequently in order to gain more finances. Punishment for an illegal act should be severe enough to deter the citizen from doing such an act again. A $100 to $200 fine is a lot for someone in poverty, but is chump change for anyone making 250K and up. So my answer is YES YES YES ... BUT incorporate safeguards .. good poll post jamesrag

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    Re: Should traffic fines and other fines be based on the income the offender makes?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bigkat80 View Post
    Why this fascination of the rich are some of you so envious that everything to you is class warfare. No absolutely not breaking the law has no status attached to it. if a poor person pays 100.00 the a billionare that broke precisely the same law ought to pay 100.00.
    I am not envious of any one. I just happen to see fines as a punishment, this is why I think fines should be percentage based so that everyone is equally punished for breaking the same law.
    Get real this is utterly ridiculous.
    What is ridiculous is the idea that a hundred dollar fine for a billionaire is an equal punishment compared to someone who is poor or lower middle class.
    Last edited by jamesrage; 07-23-11 at 02:37 AM.
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    Re: Should traffic fines and other fines be based on the income the offender makes?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    I am not envious of any one. I just happen to see fines as a punishment, this is why I think fines should be percentage based so that everyone is equally punished for breaking the same law.


    What is ridiculous is the idea that a hundred dollar fine for a billionaire is an equal punishment compared to someone who is poor or lower middle class.
    Couldn't have said it better Jamesrage, that idea really is ridiculous - punishment is meant to be at least somewhat painful

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    Re: Should traffic fines and other fines be based on the income the offender makes?

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    Should a punishment for murder depend on how much money I make? Should the punishment for theft depend on how much money I make? Why should this be any different?
    Should a parking fine or something that forces you to not be able to pay a bill or not be able to buy food and barely be pocket change for someone else??

    Fines should hurt.. Equally.. Reguardless of income..

    No be a smart lad and try to keep your arguement about fines and not jail sentences..
    Last edited by DemonMyst; 07-23-11 at 03:14 AM.

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    Re: Should traffic fines and other fines be based on the income the offender makes?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chuz Life View Post
    Thank you!

    And I would apply this same line of questioning to my tax burden.

    Why is our tax burdens (in the U.S.) proportionate to our income rather than our useage?

    If Ross Perot or Bill Gates were in line at the grocery with you,.... and you and he were both buying a gallon of milk,... would he be expected to pay more for the milk than you are,... just because he has billions of dollars at his disposal?
    You do know the difference between income tax and sales tax don't you??

    If you make 20 million a month in income, you better damn will pay more in taxes than someone who makes only 2,000 a month in income.. It is simple math.. Sales tax is irrelevent.. Just like your example..

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    Re: Should traffic fines and other fines be based on the income the offender makes?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    I am not envious of any one. I just happen to see fines as a punishment, this is why I think fines should be percentage based so that everyone is equally punished for breaking the same law.


    What is ridiculous is the idea that a hundred dollar fine for a billionaire is an equal punishment compared to someone who is poor or lower middle class.
    Wow!!! Bravo!! Something we agree on Mr. Rage!! Bravo!!! Well stated!! Got you liked on that one!!

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