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    Re: Should traffic fines and other fines be based on the income the offender makes?

    Quote Originally Posted by EmpiricalTruth View Post
    yes it should depend on how much you make, because the fines effect rich people less and the point of a speeding ticket is to stop you from speeding

    the system we have now hurts poor people more than rich people, it should be an equal percentage.
    The point of a speeding ticket is to collect money for the locality.

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    Re: Should traffic fines and other fines be based on the income the offender makes?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    If our system is designed where punishments are supposed to act as a detterent, then yes, the fines should be a set % of income.

    If everyone receives the same percentage of fine, then everyone is being treated equally under the law, regardless of the actual monetary amount.

    A person making 20 K a year gets a fine of 0.5% of their income, and the monetary value of this fine is $100. A person making 200 K a year gets the same fine of 0.5% and the monetary amount is $1000. They both received the same punishment.

    However, if both people are fined $100, one is getting fined 0.5% of his income while the other is getting fined 0.05% of his income. Obviously the person being fined 0.5% of his income had a harsher penalty than the person being fined 0.05% of his income.

    Thus, it makes perfect sense to start handing out equal punishments.
    What do you do with somebody that shows 0 as income for the year ( I assume you would use the last years tax return to determine income)?

    He can rack up as many tickets as he wants because he pays nothing.

    Is that right?

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    Re: Should traffic fines and other fines be based on the income the offender makes?

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Yes. A $50 fine won't deter a millionaire.
    A speeding ticket is not just the fine, it is higher insurance rates, on all his cars, which will add up to thousands per year.

    If he gets enough tickets he will not have a license.

    I don't understand how anybody could be for this system, unless they are the ones that show 0 for income and will have to pay nothing if stopped for speeding.

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    Re: Should traffic fines and other fines be based on the income the offender makes?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    That poor person who is fined $200 will not be able to buy clothes,food or any thing else or anything else he considers to be luxuries to him and that is $200 a shop owner will not be able to see. I can use that argument too. The trickle down effect is irrelevant.
    If the poor person in your story is playing so close to the vest with money they should not be driving.

    It costs money to drive period. If you can't afford it, you shouldn't be driving.

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    Re: Should traffic fines and other fines be based on the income the offender makes?

    Quote Originally Posted by sazerac View Post
    The $6.00 speeding ticket my girlfriend's rich cousin in Costa Rica got meant nothing to him but a good laugh. It sure didn't slow him down!
    According to some of the people here, they should have cut his head off for a speeding ticket.

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    Re: Should traffic fines and other fines be based on the income the offender makes?

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    Exactly.



    But then they're not driving any more, which is the optimal outcome. If they force their driver to speed, then the driver will lose his license as well.





    Income taxes are constitutional because there is an amendment allowing for their imposition. Fines are punitive measures handed out by the courts. It's a lot more questionable to base the punitive punishment that people receive on an entirely unrelated factor. Unless there is some evidence that speeding is related to income, I don't think this would work.



    Does he live there? Do they have a point system?
    Tehre is no point system in Mexico, that would require computers. It is also safer for the officers.

    You either pay the officer 50 pesos (I don't do that of course) or take the ticket, unless you can talk him out of it, and go pay at the station, like $140.00 pesos. They will take your license plate or drivers license as a gaurantee that you will pay.

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    Re: Should traffic fines and other fines be based on the income the offender makes?

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    No.

    Profiling happens before a crime is committed. You can't get pulled on suspicion of speeding, just speeding.

    And profiling involves some characteristic of the driver that's obvious. It's hard to target high income drivers. Perhaps they are targeting Lexus's instead of beat up Volkswagens?
    You got it right. They would target cars that appeared to have an owner that can pay more. It would come to that especially in small towns and from out of state cars.

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    Re: Should traffic fines and other fines be based on the income the offender makes?

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    And, as usual, our nation is lagging behind.
    And, yes!, I agree with the Europeans.
    In America, its the poor who are likely to be pulled over for an offense, and there are reasons for this.
    These reasons must be known, exactly, and scientifically.
    There should always be a positive outcome.
    Why would it be more likely that the poor would be pulled over for an offense? Do you think if a person is poor, they can't understand the traffic laws?

    Why would a "poor" person be driving in the first place?

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    Re: Should traffic fines and other fines be based on the income the offender makes?

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    So doctors will just speed all they want because fines are like pocket change to them. Sounds "fair" to you, but doesn't stop speeding.
    If a doctor gets enough tickets for speeding he will lose his license, plus his insurance rates on his expensive will go through the roof.

    He needs his car to get to work, therefore he will not do what you portend.

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    Re: Should traffic fines and other fines be based on the income the offender makes?

    People here saying a "poor" person would have to pay more of their income for a traffic fine.

    Here is the definition of poor

    poor   /pʊər/ Show Spelled
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    adjective, -er, -est, noun
    –adjective
    1. having little or no money, goods, or other means of support: a poor family living on welfare.
    2. Law . dependent upon charity or public support.
    3. (of a country, institution, etc.) meagerly supplied or endowed with resources or funds.

    Using that definition, how could a poor person be driving.

    Driving costs money and if a person does not have the money to pay for insurance, any damage they cause or any fines they get, they should not be driving.

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