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    Re: Should traffic fines and other fines be based on the income the offender makes?

    Quote Originally Posted by Orius View Post
    I voted yes in principle, but in reality the government would have to have too much financial information on the person in order to assess their fine level. I wouldn't want cops having access to that information when issuing fines, or any level of government, other than maybe the IRS who is doing taxes. That information is confidential.

    Also, as mentioned earlier, the points deduction system applies to all people regardless of financial class, so if you are a routine reckless driver you will still lose your license.
    To make sure cops are not the ones getting their hands on that type of information the police would only be allowed to write tickets that only state the percentage(for example someone speeds 10 miles above the speed limit then then fine would be writen .0025% x each mile above the limit 10x .0025% (or double in construction zone)or if it like a parking violation the fine would be a set percentage like .005% )
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    Re: Should traffic fines and other fines be based on the income the offender makes?

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    treated unfairly? If 10% of a poor persons income has to go to a fine why shouldn't 10% of a wealthy persons income go to a fine?
    How about taxing the poor the same percentage as the rich on their incomes? The rich would still pay more but it would seem more fair wouldn't it? I mean, you seem concerned about the percentage of someone's income, and being fair to all. Seems like the rich are being treated unfairly if that is the thinking on this board.

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    Re: Should traffic fines and other fines be based on the income the offender makes?

    Quote Originally Posted by Barbbtx View Post
    How about taxing the poor the same percentage as the rich on their incomes? The rich would still pay more but it would seem more fair wouldn't it? I mean, you seem concerned about the percentage of someone's income, and being fair to all. Seems like the rich are being treated unfairly if that is the thinking on this board.
    Nice sentiment, but a progressive tax system makes sense because your first dollar is worth more to you than the ones that come after it.

    We could have a progressive traffic fine system though.

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    Re: Should traffic fines and other fines be based on the income the offender makes?

    I vote no. It's ridiculous to think someone like a doctor should get charged more for speeding then a trolly-pusher down at wall-mart. Do the crime, equally pay the fine.
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    Re: Should traffic fines and other fines be based on the income the offender makes?

    Quote Originally Posted by ads View Post
    I vote no. It's ridiculous to think someone like a doctor should get charged more for speeding then a trolly-pusher down at wall-mart. Do the crime, equally pay the fine.
    So doctors will just speed all they want because fines are like pocket change to them. Sounds "fair" to you, but doesn't stop speeding.

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    Re: Should traffic fines and other fines be based on the income the offender makes?

    Quote Originally Posted by ads View Post
    I vote no. It's ridiculous to think someone like a doctor should get charged more for speeding then a trolly-pusher down at wall-mart. Do the crime, equally pay the fine.
    But fines are about punishment,just like jail,prison,the death penalty,parole, community service and etc. How is that doctor being punished for the same crime as a trolly-pusher? If both of them got 15 years in prison then both of them are serving the same time, if both of them get the death penalty then both of them will eventally die, if both of them got community service then both of them are doing community service and so on.



    BTW do you support a flat tax or a graduated income tax?
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    Re: Should traffic fines and other fines be based on the income the offender makes?

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    So doctors will just speed all they want because fines are like pocket change to them. Sounds "fair" to you, but doesn't stop speeding.
    Speeding to work might actually be beneficial....
    They could squeeze in a few more patients.....

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    Re: Should traffic fines and other fines be based on the income the offender makes?

    With the class envy polls and threads I wanted to bring this thread back up to see if the same people who support progressive taxes support progressive fines.

    There is an article on countries that already do this.
    $290,000 Speeding Ticket? Progressive Fines | Intelligentsia: Mr. Wass's Social Studies Blog
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    Re: Should traffic fines and other fines be based on the income the offender makes?

    Quote Originally Posted by EmpiricalTruth View Post
    yes it should depend on how much you make, because the fines effect rich people less and the point of a speeding ticket is to stop you from speeding

    the system we have now hurts poor people more than rich people, it should be an equal percentage.
    Tickets don't stop anyone from speeding. Get too many tickets, lose your license. That should apply to everyone.
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    Re: Should traffic fines and other fines be based on the income the offender makes?

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    Should a punishment for murder depend on how much money I make? Should the punishment for theft depend on how much money I make? Why should this be any different?
    As the OP is talking about fines, not prison sentences, this is not a good example.

    This is something I agree with.

    Here in California a carpool or trafic light camera fine comes out to about a weeks pay for a minimum wage person. If a weeks pay is the standard of punishment for some, it should be about a weeks pay for all.
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