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French law could see fines for burqas

Burqa ban+fine, example to follow or shy

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EUobserver / French law could see fines for burqas

Jean-Francois Cope said:
He said the legislation "would prohibit the covering of the face in public places and on the streets, with the exception of special cultural events or carnivals" meaning that "wearing a burqa would qualify for a fine, probably of the fourth class, that is to say €750."

Mr Cope defended the proposals on grounds of national security and women's rights. "We can measure the modernity of a society by the way it treats and respects women," he told Le Figaro.

Example to follow or example to shy?

Personally I think it needs to be followed in all free societies. Anything can be hidden under a burqa, its a danger to society.
 
Crap law which should never be in place. No in a free society, this law would be abhorred and rejected.

but the fear mongering you put in there was a nice touch. Didn't figure you to be an authoratative neo-con; but you got their act down well.
 
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Crap law which should never be in place. No in a free society, this law would be abhorred and rejected.

So, you think people should be allowed to cover their faces and heads and wear garments they can hide machine guns and bombs under.

Certainly good for both terrorists and bank robbers and also criminals in general, who can hide in public by wearing socks or masks over their face if they please.
 
I think people are free to wear what they want in a free society. It's not my place to tell them more. If they're hiding guns and whatnot, so be it. To be honest, so am I. I have a CCW, I carry concealed. I can't abide by big brother, authoratative laws and fear mongering. Nothing good will come of it.
 
Every society has its own prerogative to determine what manner of dress is acceptable in its own lands, among its own members-- and to demand that people who come into their lands make an effort to adapt themselves.

People who are unwilling to do this shouldn't be able to expect to live wherever they want.
 
Every society has its own prerogative to determine what manner of dress is acceptable in its own lands, among its own members-- and to demand that people who come into their lands make an effort to adapt themselves.

People who are unwilling to do this shouldn't be able to expect to live wherever they want.

The middle east has a lot of strickt dressing code laws. For example not for women to wear bikinis. Not for women to show to much skin. Not for people to kiss in public etc. They certainly have no right to complain if we outlaw one of their clothing, which endangers society.
 
There's no endangerment to society from something like a burqa. That's silly. And just because one country has unjust laws doesn't mean that you should accept unjust laws of your own. The rights and liberties of the individual must be upheld.
 
There's no endangerment to society from something like a burqa. That's silly. And just because one country has unjust laws doesn't mean that you should accept unjust laws of your own. The rights and liberties of the individual must be upheld.

Certainly easier for 6 people in Burqa to have machine guns and equipment to rob a bank than it is for a person with a bank robber mask. :lol:

Also makes things easier for terrorists, who wants to bomb places, just hide behind the Burqa with the bomb.
 
Certainly easier for 6 people in Burqa to have machine guns and equipment to rob a bank than it is for a person with a bank robber mask. :lol:

Also makes things easier for terrorists, who wants to bomb places, just hide behind the Burqa with the bomb.

Ok, but that's not limited to a burqa. Also, wearing a burka doesn't mean you'll be doing these things. Maybe you should wait for something along the lines of...I don't know, maybe.....proof before you start exercising government force against the rights and liberties of the individual.

Are trench coats illegal? Long, baggy pants? Will y'all have to wear tight shorts and cut off shirts every day then? Hmm? Did you even realize the repercussions of the argument you just made?
 
Ok, but that's not limited to a burqa. Also, wearing a burka doesn't mean you'll be doing these things. Maybe you should wait for something along the lines of...I don't know, maybe.....proof before you start exercising government force against the rights and liberties of the individual.

Are trench coats illegal? Long, baggy pants? Will y'all have to wear tight shorts and cut off shirts every day then? Hmm? Did you even realize the repercussions of the argument you just made?

Who can have easy access to a machinegun in baggy pants?

Burqa, you just have it there and just start shooting. Nobody can identify a person in Burqa. And it is against womens rights as well, something certainly invalid for all your comparisons.

I dont know if people are allowed in every European country to wear ski masks/balaclava in combination with huge coats. That doesnt seem to make sense. How would you react to a person wearing a balaclava in the summer, completely hiding his face? Is that even legal?
 
Arguments for:

  1. It symbolizes oppression of women in Islamic societies.
  2. If a cultural symbol becomes strong in your nation, the symbol must be banned to protect your own cultural dominance in your own nation.
  3. It has nothing to do with the Muslim religion.
  4. And the most obvious reason, it's goddamned ugly.
 
Of course you can get to the machine gun. There's some vid about some kid who hid a ****ing arsenal in his pants, most of which could be pulled out at whim.

And who cares what people wear, why is clothing illegal? Cause it may lead to something, cause someone might do X? You're going after the rights and liberties of people over what, nothing more than assumption and fear. And you say all "Personally I think it needs to be followed in all free societies."!!?? As soon as you do, you're no longer a free society. So if your goal is the restriction of choice, the abdication of freedom and liberty than you're on the right path. Otherwise, you should understand that free never has been, is not, and never will be safe. That's that.
 
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This law will cause more cars to catch on fire.
 
What if a woman wants to wear the burqa? I know plenty of muslim women who wear it out of choice, because they like to, and because they are fairly religious. There is absolutely no reason to force them not to wear it, but equally, they shouldn't be forced to wear it by any man. Maybe France could offer protection to women from potentially abusive spouses if they want to simply not wear the clothing.
 
Paris and New York and Milan decide what women wear. There don't need to be any laws. I remember the priest complaining about women without a head covering. All the women looked a little horrified.:shock:
 
Personally I think it needs to be followed in all free societies. Anything can be hidden under a burqa, its a danger to society.

How about a Catholic Nun's habit or a trenchcoat?
 
It symbolizes oppression of women in Islamic societies.

To some westerners, maybe.

I think the Amish are oppressed too - they have to wear stupid ugly dresses and dumb hats and stuff. And don't get me started on nuns. But I don't go around banning their clothes either.

If a cultural symbol becomes strong in your nation, the symbol must be banned to protect your own cultural dominance in your own nation.

It does?

It has nothing to do with the Muslim religion.

That one doesn't even require a reply, it's so ridiculous.

And the most obvious reason, it's goddamned ugly.

Okay, 1 for 4 - unless the lady under it is uglier.
 
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I find it a horrendous example to follow.
The French may like banning whatever displeases them rather than facing the issue, giving their state more power but I for one do not want anyone telling me what to wear.

I hate burqas as much as anyone else but I will defend a individuals right to wear what they wish.
 
Oklahoma does have a ban on masks for obvious historical reasons. I tend to favor the fewer laws the better. But given the politically correctness that exists in America to day I would not be strongly opposed to such implementation to counter that.
 
Certainly easier for 6 people in Burqa to have machine guns and equipment to rob a bank than it is for a person with a bank robber mask. :lol:

Is there an epidemic of people wearing burqas robbing banks in France that I am unaware of? I've never heard of this happening even once. :confused:

EDIT: A quick Google search indicates that it's happened a few times in the United States, United Kingdom, and Australia...but I still don't see any indication that it's EVER happened in France. And at any rate, it certainly isn't commonplace enough to resort to a ban on the clothing altogether.
 
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Arguments for:

  1. It symbolizes oppression of women in Islamic societies.

France is not an Islamic society, and there is no law in France requiring women to wear the burqas. Perhaps the women WANT to wear them?
 
"We can measure the modernity of a society by the way it treats and respects women"

The irony with this one is quite thick, isn't it?

Modern society will treat you with respect, but only if you're not a deeply religious Muslim woman. I love it. :lol:
 
Is there an epidemic of people wearing burqas robbing banks in France that I am unaware of? I've never heard of this happening even once. :confused:

Me neither. I haven't heard of ANY incidents involving the tiny minority of Muslim women who wear these garments in France, other than the hateful comments hurled at them by non-Muslims. :shrug:
 
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