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Thread: French law could see fines for burqas

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    Re: French law could see fines for burqas

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Ok, but that's not limited to a burqa. Also, wearing a burka doesn't mean you'll be doing these things. Maybe you should wait for something along the lines of...I don't know, maybe.....proof before you start exercising government force against the rights and liberties of the individual.

    Are trench coats illegal? Long, baggy pants? Will y'all have to wear tight shorts and cut off shirts every day then? Hmm? Did you even realize the repercussions of the argument you just made?
    Once again, the obvious escapes you completely.

    None of the garments you mentioned conceals the identity of its wearer.
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    Re: French law could see fines for burqas

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Why? Who cares? Their dress choice doesn't hurt you or anyone else, so who are you to say what their culture "should" be?


    How is gender slavery not hurtful?
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    Re: French law could see fines for burqas

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    Once again, the obvious escapes you completely.

    None of the garments you mentioned conceals the identity of its wearer.
    Masks going to be illegal? Long trenchcoats with big collars and a hat? Can conceal quite a lot. Ski masks? How much more is illegal. Face paint? Comeon, if someone robs a bank all made up like KISS, how are you going to tell? Right? I mean, this is the argument right?

    The obvious which escapes you is that this law isn't for any "safety" consideration because it doesn't go after anything else. It's not about domestic abuse or indocrination because it doesn't go after the root causes of those. It is merely a law passed against a religious sect that the people feel is somehow damaging. That's it. And that, Captain Obvious, is the obvious connotation of the law.
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    Re: French law could see fines for burqas

    Quote Originally Posted by Alvin T. Grey View Post
    There would be if there was an issue with wearing halloween masks by a percentage of the population constantly in public.
    There's no rule against it. How would it be a problem? And at what level does it become a problem? Surely 1 person wearing a halloween mask all the time wouldn't qualify for a law? But how many Muslim women as a percentage of population were wearing the burqa in the first place? And why is it any of your business if they do or not? I think a lot of this comes from nosy busybodies who can't keep to themselves. People who hate perhaps a certain religion and that practitioners of that religion are maybe in their country.

    In America, if people wore Halloween masks, or any mask really, on a routine basis there still wouldn't be a law against it. And that's rightful. There's no reason to regulate clothing of the individual past requiring some amount of clothing in public. That's it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Alvin T. Grey View Post
    Firstly, CCTV cameras are used to identify suspects in a crime. Secondly why would those operating them go to all of the time trouble and expense of tracking you. Thirdly if you are on a public street in full view you have no right to privacy.
    First, CCTVs unnecessarily record people doing nothing wrong and is nothing more than Big Brother government. Second, they will record and database everything they can. They are taking the time and trouble and expense to track me as they are tracking everyone with those cameras. Thirdly, I always have the right to secure my person, papers, property, and effects from unreasonable search and seizure. Wanna track me? Get a warrant. Fourthly, there is no requirement that I walk down the street in full view of the cameras wearing outfits that will allow for easy identification of my person. None at all.

    Quote Originally Posted by Alvin T. Grey View Post
    That law exists (although it is very rarely enforced) because in some parts of the UK Police officers are considered legitimate targets for assisination. There was one blown up last week.
    Mmmmhmmmm. Protect the State, protect the State, protect the State. All at the cost of the freedom and liberty of the people. Calling card of the fascist.
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    Re: French law could see fines for burqas

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Masks going to be illegal? Long trenchcoats with big collars and a hat? Can conceal quite a lot. Ski masks? How much more is illegal. Face paint? Comeon, if someone robs a bank all made up like KISS, how are you going to tell? Right? I mean, this is the argument right?

    The obvious which escapes you is that this law isn't for any "safety" consideration because it doesn't go after anything else. It's not about domestic abuse or indocrination because it doesn't go after the root causes of those. It is merely a law passed against a religious sect that the people feel is somehow damaging. That's it. And that, Captain Obvious, is the obvious connotation of the law.
    There is ignorance, and then there is willful ignorance. The article said quite plainly "the legislation "would prohibit the covering of the face in public places and on the streets, with the exception of special cultural events or carnivals".


    You should be capable of offering more than thoughtless red herrings if you wish to be able to debate.
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    Re: French law could see fines for burqas

    Quote Originally Posted by Alvin T. Grey View Post
    Then they arrest the guy in the halloween mask....
    How do you find the guy in the Halloween mask? If they take out the camera and duck down an alley, you're not going to be able to find him. Those big brother, aggressively probing, monitoring, and recording CCTV cameras would be rightfully shot out by the People. If the government wants to watch and record, they can go ahead and get a warrant.
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    Re: French law could see fines for burqas

    Am I the only one to notice what a paradigm shift we have experienced since the sixties? With the exception of some of the more dogmatic libertarians, it is now the left that argues in favor of the visciously misogynistic oppression of women, while it is the right that seeks to uphold women's rights.

    Orwell must be rolling in his grave knowing that slavery is now being peddled as freedom.
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    Re: French law could see fines for burqas

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    There is ignorance, and then there is willful ignorance. The article said quite plainly "the legislation "would prohibit the covering of the face in public places and on the streets, with the exception of special cultural events or carnivals".


    You should be capable of offering more than thoughtless red herrings if you wish to be able to debate.
    The legislation is meant to target a specific group. And there's no reason why you should have to show your face in public. It's nothing more than the standard Big Brother politics and targeting a group deemed "hostile" and unwelcome by another group. That's it. There will be no benefit from this and if you think that they'll go after someone wearing a mask or face paint or a trench coat and hat, then you should really reconsider throwing out the "willful ignorance" claim.

    It is not proper government control or regulation. This was made specifically to go after a certain sect of religious people, a sect not in favorable public opinion. That's it. It's the tyranny of the majority over the rights of the minority. Dangerous stuff.
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    Re: French law could see fines for burqas

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    Am I the only one to notice what a paradigm shift we have experienced since the sixties? With the exception of some of the more dogmatic libertarians, it is now the left that argues in favor of the visciously misogynistic oppression of women, while it is the right that seeks to uphold women's rights.

    Orwell must be rolling in his grave knowing that slavery is now being peddled as freedom.
    How is legislating what a woman can wear protecting or upholding her rights?
    Surely if you wished to uphold said rights, you'd support an individuals right to wear what they wish.
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    Re: French law could see fines for burqas

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    Am I the only one to notice what a paradigm shift we have experienced since the sixties? With the exception of some of the more dogmatic libertarians, it is now the left that argues in favor of the visciously misogynistic oppression of women, while it is the right that seeks to uphold women's rights.

    Orwell must be rolling in his grave knowing that slavery is now being peddled as freedom.
    By dictating what they can and cannot wear you're upholding their "rights"? Really? And I thought this wasn't about the burqa but all items which cover the face in the name of public safety. What would woman's rights have to do with anything? Unless this legislation was specifically crafted to go after a certain religious sect.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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