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Thread: French law could see fines for burqas

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    Re: French law could see fines for burqas

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    Arguments for:

    [*]It symbolizes oppression of women in Islamic societies.
    Wrong.

    It is the direct oppression of women in Islamic societies.

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    [*]If a cultural symbol becomes strong in your nation, the symbol must be banned to protect your own cultural dominance in your own nation.
    Or, you hope your damn traitor comedians find ways to make the intruding symbol so hysterical embarassingly funny it falls out of favor.

    I would think the burqa would be an easy target.

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    [*]It has nothing to do with the Muslim religion.
    You mean besides the fact that Islam is the most misogynist religion ever spawned from Abraham's original bad dream?

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    [*]And the most obvious reason, it's goddamned ugly.
    You seriously want the government to legislate fashion?

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    Re: French law could see fines for burqas

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Why do I need to consider them? I can walk around with all sorts of **** that can obscure me from CCTV. I mean, Halloween masks can work too...do we outlaw those?
    One doesn't wear halloween masks every day.


    No. There's no reason to consider CCTV. People don't need to follow me or record me wherever I go, it's not their right to video tape me.
    They are not videotaping you they are videotaping the street you are on. And being in public you have no expectation of privacy. Curiously, there is only one class of person that it is illegal in the UK to photograph.
    The police.

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    Re: French law could see fines for burqas

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    CCTV.

    You mean like for autmated/remote surveillance of daily activities of the people in public places?

    Easy solution.

    Spray paint any CCTV camera you see. Have all your friends join the party, use different colors, redecorate your city.
    And go to jail for criminal damage....

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    Re: French law could see fines for burqas

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    You mean besides the fact that Islam is the most misogynist religion ever spawned from Abraham's original bad dream?
    Some versions of it are. Some aren't.

    Religion isn't monolithic.

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    Re: French law could see fines for burqas

    Quote Originally Posted by Alvin T. Grey View Post
    One doesn't wear halloween masks every day.
    No law against it though. I could walk around with a Halloween mask. Should we make a law stating you can only wear a Halloween mask on or around Halloween? Don't think so.

    Quote Originally Posted by Alvin T. Grey View Post
    They are not videotaping you they are videotaping the street you are on. And being in public you have no expectation of privacy.
    And there's no expectation that I don't walk around in cloths that can conceal myself for the camera either. The only purpose CCTV cameras like the one that you've described should serve is for target practice. I am under no obligation to reveal myself to passing cameras so that the government can record my movements.

    Quote Originally Posted by Alvin T. Grey View Post
    Curiously, there is only one class of person that it is illegal in the UK to photograph.
    The police.
    And that should tell you a HUGE problem right there.
    Last edited by Ikari; 01-12-10 at 07:48 PM.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: French law could see fines for burqas

    Quote Originally Posted by Alvin T. Grey View Post
    And go to jail for criminal damage....
    They won't know it was you if you're wearing a Halloween mask.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

    Quote Originally Posted by A. de Tocqueville
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    Re: French law could see fines for burqas

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
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    Example to follow or example to shy?

    Personally I think it needs to be followed in all free societies. Anything can be hidden under a burqa, its a danger to society.
    Why stop there?

    Don't forget that people can hide things under coats in the winter. Let's make everyone wear tight fitting clothes all year around.

    People can hide things in their home, too. Let's allow police to search each home. Oh, and cars.

    We can install cameras in every car, as well as in every home.

    If we truly want a safe society, after all, we have to give up everything we stand for. What's more important, letting Big Brother decide what is best for us concerning safety, or being free?

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    Re: French law could see fines for burqas

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    No law against it though. I could walk around with a Halloween mask. Should we make a law stating you can only wear a Halloween mask on or around Halloween? Don't think so.
    There would be if there was an issue with wearing halloween masks by a percentage of the population constantly in public.



    And there's no expectation that I don't walk around in cloths that can conceal myself for the camera either. The only purpose CCTV cameras like the one that you've described should serve is for target practice. I am under no obligation to reveal myself to passing cameras so that the government can record my movements.
    Firstly, CCTV cameras are used to identify suspects in a crime. Secondly why would those operating them go to all of the time trouble and expense of tracking you. Thirdly if you are on a public street in full view you have no right to privacy.


    And that should tell you a HUGE problem right there.
    That law exists (although it is very rarely enforced) because in some parts of the UK Police officers are considered legitimate targets for assisination. There was one blown up last week.

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    Re: French law could see fines for burqas

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    They won't know it was you if you're wearing a Halloween mask.
    Then they arrest the guy in the halloween mask....

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    Re: French law could see fines for burqas

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Sure, they have their own standards. Some Islamic communities consider it unacceptable for women not to wear the burqa. So what? As long as they aren't legally REQUIRED to wear them, then it's no different than any other social construct.]
    It never ceases to amaze me that some people choose to bluntly ignore the fact that "Islamic law" is not dependent on the state's laws.
    Police aren't going to enforce Islamic laws, fundamentalist Muslims would.
    Just because they are not required by written-law to wear those Burqas, does not mean that they wouldn't be persecuted for that.
    What do honor killings have to do with the burqa?
    Besides both being an interpretation of the Quran by radical elements, and not something that is actually written in the Quran; those who do not wear the burqa, 'put a shame' on their families, and the mentioned families might as well practice the honor killing on those who shame them in front of their communities.
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