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Thread: French law could see fines for burqas

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    Re: French law could see fines for burqas

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    What makes you think so? Some people are simply more conservative than others when it comes to their clothes. If the burqa is what their society considers normal, I could certainly understand how they might feel uncomfortable NOT wearing it...much in the same way that I think most Westerners would not be comfortable wearing non-Western clothes.
    For one thing, their culture should be that of the place where they reside, not that of the place which they are originally from.

    Also, if such a culture requires that women wear something that is not only very uncomfortable (especially in heat), but also effectively hides them from all the world except their husband/family, then that is an oppressive society in the first place. And yes, it's not required by law, but that doesn't mean that her family won't disown and possibly even hurt/kill her if she takes it off.

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    Re: French law could see fines for burqas

    Quote Originally Posted by Dav View Post
    For one thing, their culture should be that of the place where they reside, not that of the place which they are originally from.
    Why? Who cares? Their dress choice doesn't hurt you or anyone else, so who are you to say what their culture "should" be?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dav
    Also, if such a culture requires that women wear something that is not only very uncomfortable (especially in heat),
    My culture requires that I wear a suit to work. That's quite uncomfortable, especially in the heat. Am I being oppressed?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dav
    but also effectively hides them from all the world except their husband/family, then that is an oppressive society in the first place. And yes, it's not required by law, but that doesn't mean that her family won't disown and possibly even hurt/kill her if she takes it off.
    And my family might disown me (not really, but you get the point) if I frequently walked around nude in public. Is that different somehow? As for hurting/killing a woman who doesn't wear a burqa...hurting/killing are already illegal.
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    Re: French law could see fines for burqas

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    **** cctv!
    All CCTV. Including those in Banks, shops, private residences, not just the ones you seem to have a problem with.

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    Re: French law could see fines for burqas

    If France wants the law, that's fine for France. I'd not support it in the US though.
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    Re: French law could see fines for burqas

    Quote Originally Posted by Alvin T. Grey View Post
    All CCTV. Including those in Banks, shops, private residences, not just the ones you seem to have a problem with.
    Why do I need to consider them? I can walk around with all sorts of **** that can obscure me from CCTV. I mean, Halloween masks can work too...do we outlaw those? No. There's no reason to consider CCTV. People don't need to follow me or record me wherever I go, it's not their right to video tape me. If I have something which obscures their imaging of me, so be it. Their f'n problem, not mine. In terms of constructing law about articles of clothing, CCTV does not need to be given any ounce of consideration.
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    Re: French law could see fines for burqas

    The law is not good.

    However, the Messiah is going to sign a bill in the US that fines people for not having approved health insurance.

    Compared to that, what the French do with their clothes isn't important.

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    Re: French law could see fines for burqas

    Quote Originally Posted by Dav View Post
    For one thing, their culture should be that of the place where they reside, not that of the place which they are originally from.

    Also, if such a culture requires that women wear something that is not only very uncomfortable (especially in heat), but also effectively hides them from all the world except their husband/family, then that is an oppressive society in the first place. And yes, it's not required by law, but that doesn't mean that her family won't disown and possibly even hurt/kill her if she takes it off.
    A person's culture is his heritage and his environment and ultimately his choice.

    But outlawing burgas? Just another example of the French recognizing the threat Islamic tumors present to civilized society and an example of the French's inability to ever do anything effective in response to a threat.

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    Re: French law could see fines for burqas

    Quote Originally Posted by Alvin T. Grey View Post
    So how does CCTV get around that?
    CCTV.

    You mean like for autmated/remote surveillance of daily activities of the people in public places?

    Easy solution.

    Spray paint any CCTV camera you see. Have all your friends join the party, use different colors, redecorate your city.

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    Re: French law could see fines for burqas

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    So, you think people should be allowed to cover their faces and heads and wear garments they can hide machine guns and bombs under.
    Yes.

    What part of "freedom" mystifies you?

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    Re: French law could see fines for burqas

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    Who can have easy access to a machinegun in baggy pants?

    Burqa, you just have it there and just start shooting. Nobody can identify a person in Burqa. And it is against womens rights as well, something certainly invalid for all your comparisons.
    Wearing a pup-tent is a violation of women's right?

    I've seen TONS of women who benefit me greatly if they donned a tent.

    Seriously, don't you EVER say camping gear attire is a violation of women's rights. For some of them, not wearing it is a violation of my scenery rights.

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