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Thread: French law could see fines for burqas

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    Re: French law could see fines for burqas

    Quote Originally Posted by Dav View Post
    I think that burqas are oppressive and backwards instruments of male domination of women and that nobody ever wants to wear one, but are forced by their family and husband to do so.
    Sometimes true, sometimes not.

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    Re: French law could see fines for burqas

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    France is not an Islamic society, and there is no law in France requiring women to wear the burqas. Perhaps the women WANT to wear them?
    Seems to me like you take the belief that if it isn't an Islamic nation, Islamic communities do not have their own "accepted"s and "unaccepted"s.

    One would actually draw the assumption, after reading your comment, that Muslim women are only the victims of honor killings in states like Afghanistan and Yemen, and not in states like France and the US.
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    Re: French law could see fines for burqas

    Quote Originally Posted by Dav View Post
    I think that burqas are oppressive and backwards instruments of male domination of women and that nobody ever wants to wear one, but are forced by their family and husband to do so.
    What makes you think so? Some people are simply more conservative than others when it comes to their clothes. If the burqa is what their society considers normal, I could certainly understand how they might feel uncomfortable NOT wearing it...much in the same way that I think most Westerners would not be comfortable wearing non-Western clothes.
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    Re: French law could see fines for burqas

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    Seems to me like you take the belief that if it isn't an Islamic nation, Islamic communities do not have their own "accepted"s and "unaccepted"s.
    Sure, they have their own standards. Some Islamic communities consider it unacceptable for women not to wear the burqa. So what? As long as they aren't legally REQUIRED to wear them, then it's no different than any other social construct.

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse
    One would actually draw the assumption, after reading your comment, that Muslim women are only the victims of honor killings in states like Afghanistan and Yemen, and not in states like France and the US.
    What do honor killings have to do with the burqa?
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    Re: French law could see fines for burqas

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    One would actually draw the assumption, after reading your comment, that Muslim women are only the victims of honor killings in states like Afghanistan and Yemen, and not in states like France and the US.
    That's mostly true for any reasonable scale. While these things can occur in France or the US, the frequency is very low and they are usually isolated instances. Whereas in the Islamic theocracy part of the world it's well more prevalent and accepted and tolerated and promoted.
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    Re: French law could see fines for burqas

    Yep, very effective.


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    Re: French law could see fines for burqas

    Quote Originally Posted by Alvin T. Grey View Post
    Yep, very effective.

    I think if you want to make the case that people can't wear them for official ID, then definitely there is a valid argument there. Even if being pulled over by a cop or something and he asks you to remove the burqa in order to confirm identity; again valid arguments to be had. In general, completely outlawing the piece of clothing is a much different.
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    Re: French law could see fines for burqas

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Sure, they have their own standards. Some Islamic communities consider it unacceptable for women not to wear the burqa. So what? As long as they aren't legally REQUIRED to wear them, then it's no different than any other social construct.
    I'd like to liberate our women from their oppressive clothes. Especially the ones they are legally required to wear.

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    Re: French law could see fines for burqas

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I think if you want to make the case that people can't wear them for official ID, then definitely there is a valid argument there. Even if being pulled over by a cop or something and he asks you to remove the burqa in order to confirm identity; again valid arguments to be had. In general, completely outlawing the piece of clothing is a much different.
    So how does CCTV get around that?

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    Re: French law could see fines for burqas

    Quote Originally Posted by alvin t. Grey View Post
    so how does cctv get around that?
    **** cctv!
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