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Thread: French law could see fines for burqas

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    Re: French law could see fines for burqas

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    While far from being simple logic, this is an unsupported claim.
    I honestly do not believe that the Islamic communities would lock up their women.
    Someone needs to do the shopping, right?
    You seriously think that someone who is so fanatical about a particular code of conduct that they will strong-arm someone else into covering themselves from head to foot is going to simply go "okay, never mind, my bad" if it gets outlawed?

    I think it's far more likely that they'll just find another way to, um, get their groceries.

    For someone who seems to want to ascribe the practice of honor killing exclusively to Muslim zealots, you sure don't give them much credit for sticking to their guns in matters of modesty.

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    You've given an article that supports my point that honor killings are identified with Islam. Good job.
    Now you're being deliberately obtuse. I previously said, "Lots of women die in honor killings every year that have nothing to do with Islam." You asked for proof. That article is exactly that.

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    I can also testify that all of the honor killings in Israel, one of the states that were listed in the article, are Muslim-made. 100%.
    Well, I'm glad you were there for 100% of the honor killings in Israel.

    That is what you meant by testify, right?

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    I gave you a reference to my arguments, this is pure trolling and is against the forum's rules.
    Consider yourself reported for the good of the clean debaters, or in other words, those who are capable of creating arguments.


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    Re: French law could see fines for burqas

    Quote Originally Posted by Arcana XV View Post
    Yep, someone does. The daughter, the niece, the young girls who are unmarried and still in school where they aren't allowed to wear even a simple hijab. The new generation that will probably never don a burqa. It's too late for the mother. She's been indoctrinated with the idea never to show any part of her body to men who aren't family members and she will not take the off her burqa unless her husband commands it.
    Oh, now, there you go, making sense again.
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    Re: French law could see fines for burqas

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    You seriously think that someone who is so fanatical about a particular code of conduct that they will strong-arm someone else into covering themselves from head to foot is going to simply go "okay, never mind, my bad" if it gets outlawed?
    I believe that the law's enforcement would be the cause for a drastic decrease, notice the words used, in the violence towards non-obedience Islamic women.
    For someone who seems to want to ascribe the practice of honor killing exclusively to Muslim zealots, you sure don't give them much credit for sticking to their guns in matters of modesty.
    Identified is not exclusively.
    You are not that good with English are you?
    Now you're being deliberately obtuse. I previously said, "Lots of women die in honor killings every year that have nothing to do with Islam." You asked for proof. That article is exactly that.


    You insist on relying on that article when it clearly paints the Honor killing as an Islamic-identified action, contrary to your truth rejection here.
    Well, I'm glad you were there for 100% of the honor killings in Israel.
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    Re: French law could see fines for burqas

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    Well, it is evident that people must get so caught up in "slippery slope" arguments and/or their own dogmatism that they cannot distinguish between this:




    and this:


    They're not the only ones that get caught up in it. Most political parties in France are extremely reluctant to adopt this law, even the ruling party is very divided on this. Most arguments against the ban and especially the fine are based on basic French republican values of personal liberty. The snag is with the equality issue, but most believe that it can be solved without damaging the personal liberty clause. Others claim that the secular French republican values should take precedence in this issue, but that is correctly shot down by the argument that the secular clause applies to the government and not the individual. It's going to be one hell of a debate when this gets discussed by the lawmakers.



    Well, if muslims are most assimilated in France, which has the lowest degree of political correctness and least assimilated in places like Britain which has the highest degree of political correctness, is there anybody else out there but me who notices the correlation -- one that could very well be a case of cause and effect?

    Seems a simple enough concept to grasp -- if you want people to assimilate, treat them with the expectation that they WILL assimilate, and if you don't want them to assimilate, adopt the typical politically correct multiculturalist apologetics.
    Maybe. Just as long as they don't make the mistake France has made, to still consider an entire generation of French citizens as second class. It's all well and good that they're assimilated and that they consider themselves French above all else, but if the society around them makes them feel like outcasts huge problems are bound to surface.
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    Re: French law could see fines for burqas

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    I believe that the law's enforcement would be the cause for a drastic decrease, notice the words used, in the violence towards non-obedience Islamic women.
    That made absolutely no sense. Could you maybe rephrase that?

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    Identified is not exclusively. You are not that good with English are you?
    Okay, so you're either incapable of following what I'm saying, or you're choosing not to because you think you can piss me off enough that I'll make a blatant mistake which you can then point to in a half-assed attempt to discredit my entire argument.

    Noted.

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    Re: French law could see fines for burqas

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    Isnt all this boiling back to the race question. Is it possible for one race to not treat a second and third minority race as secondary? Also racial conflict is the root of the problem.

    Is there really any way around this?
    You may have a point. Race relations have always been difficult in multi-racial countries. France prides itself on certain core values, however, and the government should strive much harder to uphold them, regardless of what race or ethnicity the citizenry is comprised of.
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    Re: French law could see fines for burqas

    Quote Originally Posted by Arcana XV View Post
    You may have a point. Race relations have always been difficult in multi-racial countries. France prides itself on certain core values, however, and the government should strive much harder to uphold them, regardless of what race or ethnicity the citizenry is comprised of.
    Our Prsident is a walking disaster. He is shattering many of the French values. Not that things were better before but at least we were on a better track. We are certainly going backwards now
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    Re: French law could see fines for burqas

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    That made absolutely no sense. Could you maybe rephrase that?



    Okay, so you're either incapable of following what I'm saying, or you're choosing not to because you think you can piss me off enough that I'll make a blatant mistake which you can then point to in a half-assed attempt to discredit my entire argument.
    Or in other words, you are incapable of addressing points. Noted.
    That's awfully funny, coming from someone who just accused me of being a troll.
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    Re: French law could see fines for burqas

    Quote Originally Posted by Mira View Post
    Our Prsident is a walking disaster. He is shattering many of the French values. Not that things were better before but at least we were on a better track. We are certainly going backwards now
    On this particular issue he's just as clueless or unwilling to do the hard work it would take to eradicate the racial and social problems that plague the "banlieues" and "cités" around the country as any other French leader before him. This law, if it passes, will be the equivalent of shoving dirt under the carpet. Everything will look nice and clean, no one will be wearing burqas anymore, yet the problems will still be there.
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    Re: French law could see fines for burqas

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    Or in other words, you are incapable of addressing points. Noted.
    Oh, right, sorry, I forgot that this is the point where you declare a victory that nobody else will credit you with so that you can pretend that you actually accomplished something.

    Here, let me help: Bravo!

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    Compliment taken.
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