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Thread: French law could see fines for burqas

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    Re: French law could see fines for burqas

    Quote Originally Posted by Arcana XV View Post
    Absolutely. I think it's shameful what French politicians are doing. They're trying to fix a massive social problem they should have tackled at least two decades ago, by targeting this new wave of burqa wearing immigrants who had nothing to do with the original problem in the first place. It's like giving a bandaid to a cancer patient and hoping that it will be the magical cure everyone is hoping for.
    You are correct, the U.s. is having the same problem with immigrants who do not want to assimilate......
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    Re: French law could see fines for burqas

    Quote Originally Posted by Mira View Post
    You are correct and I will never emphasise enough that the problem with the immigrant community is France is S.O.C.I.A.L and NOT religious.
    The immigrant problem in France is RACIAL, not religious nor social. All immigration problems are racial.
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    Re: French law could see fines for burqas

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    The immigrant problem in France is RACIAL, not religious nor social. All immigration problems are racial.
    Yes, racial but they still don't want to assimilate, which makes it a social problem as well.....

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    Re: French law could see fines for burqas

    Quote Originally Posted by Partisan View Post
    Yes, racial but they still don't want to assimilate, which makes it a social problem as well.....
    Mention me one historical example where a bi-racial society has worked in a society with one or several substantial minorities of a different race than the large majority.

    I dont believe it can work.. Tiny minorities and regular immigration, population mix and such can work, the US(also) is proof of that. But when it comes to large minorities even there blacks and hispanics(both large minorities) are discriminated against and doesnt enjoy the same rights(in practice) or status as the majority(whites), and in practice live seperated from the whites.

    Races seems incapable of mixing in such a way. In Europe its arabs and blacks.
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    Re: French law could see fines for burqas

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    The immigrant problem in France is RACIAL, not religious nor social. All immigration problems are racial.
    It is the racial discrimination that creates the social problems. The final result: social problems.
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    Re: French law could see fines for burqas

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    The immigrant problem in France is RACIAL, not religious nor social. All immigration problems are racial.
    It's both racial and social actually. The latent racism against Arabs in France has led to enormous social problems within the Arab-descent community. This is what needs fixing, not what clothes women are seen wearing in public. Ironically, women of Arab descent seem to fare a lot better socially than the men do. Which probably has a lot to do with the anger and resentment these young men feel towards these girls who seem a lot better integrated and accepted than they are.
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    Re: French law could see fines for burqas

    Quote Originally Posted by Partisan View Post
    Yes, racial but they still don't want to assimilate, which makes it a social problem as well.....
    That's not really true. French Muslims are a lot more assimilated than many of their fellow Muslims elsewhere in Europe. Most of them are actually quite secular. The problem is not that they don't assimilate, the problem is that French society at large still sees them as second class citizens; doesn't much care about improving their precarious social conditions; doesn't really work hard at ending the latent racism still present in the country and is very quick to place blame on them whenever anything goes wrong.
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    Re: French law could see fines for burqas

    Quote Originally Posted by Arcana XV View Post
    It's both racial and social actually. The latent racism against Arabs in France has led to enormous social problems within the Arab-descent community. This is what needs fixing, not what clothes women are seen wearing in public. Ironically, women of Arab descent seem to fare a lot better socially than the men do. Which probably has a lot to do with the anger and resentment these young men feel towards these girls who seem a lot better integrated and accepted than they are.
    I've been to Algeria several times and once on assignment for ELLE magazine on a story about Algerian women.

    They are VERY courageous and very active in the social and political arena. In the 90s they were the loudest voice against the rise of the Islamic radical groups such as FIS and were not even intimidated by death threats. They were very active in the resistance movement FLN and played a great role in the independence of Algeria.

    Coming back to France, they are mostly secular and involved in associative work.
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    Re: French law could see fines for burqas

    Quote Originally Posted by Mira View Post
    It is the racial discrimination that creates the social problems. The final result: social problems.
    But is racial discrimination not unavoidable when minorities of other races become substantial?
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    Re: French law could see fines for burqas

    Quote Originally Posted by Arcana XV View Post
    That's not really true. French Muslims are a lot more assimilated than many of their fellow Muslims elsewhere in Europe.

    and those who are assimilated DON'T want he burqa, and are the very people most endangered by the spread of its use.



    Quote Originally Posted by Arcana XV View Post
    the problem is that French society at large still sees them as second class citizens; doesn't much care about improving their precarious social conditions; doesn't really work hard at ending the latent racism still present in the country and is very quick to place blame on them whenever anything goes wrong.


    Considering the political correctness of Europeans as a whole, either that last statement of yours reflects deep divide between French attitudes and the majority of western Europe or that those actually holding those beliefs simply do not share them with others.

    If you were to change that last line to read "are quick to excuse Muslims for the atrocities they do commit in the name of their religion", I think you would be more on the mark at least for the majority.
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