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Thread: French law could see fines for burqas

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    Re: French law could see fines for burqas

    Quote Originally Posted by ScummyD View Post
    The way to change things is from the bottom up and not top down authoritarianism. When you see these clowns walking around in costumes mock and ridicule them out of existence. If they want to hide behind full body drapes tell them just to stay home behind closed doors altogether like the freaks that they are.
    I'm going to guess that you live in the United States, based upon your signature, since you didn't fill out your location information. If you live somewhere where that sort of thing is acceptable behavior, then I guess you can feel free to ignore what follows.

    That aside, shame on you. That kind of high school bullying is contrary to every basic principle of freedom espoused by the United States, as outlined in the Tenth Amendment -- my freedoms stop where your nose starts.

    Nobody's telling you to wear a Burka, and someone else's Burka doesn't curtail your freedoms or safety any more than a full-length duster, a baggy jacket, or a backpack do.
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    Just for reference, means my post was a giant steaming pile of sarcasm.

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    Re: French law could see fines for burqas

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
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    Turnspeak: Doubleplusungood thoughtcrime.
    I'm already gearing up for Finger Vote 2014.

    Just for reference, means my post was a giant steaming pile of sarcasm.

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    Re: French law could see fines for burqas

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    We're specifically addressing the Islamic oppression of women here, not the overall women abuse in the world, which is a much smaller of a problem than the Islamic oppression of women. (With all due honesty)
    Women being abused is women being abused.

    Your words.
    What else could?
    Oh please.

    Yes, let's soften things up by saying "some" while it's actually a huge amount of Muslim women.
    So wait.. it's not ALL Muslim women, it's not even MOST Muslim women. It's SOME. That's not "softening" anything up, that's being accurate. It's a small percentage of all Muslim women.

    Nobody takes rights away here.
    There is no right to wear blankets.
    Yeah, clothing choices aren't rights. We should just all wear uniforms. That would stop a vast amount of violence, after all. And no rights would be infringed.

    Banning the Burqas would, however, mean that it is not the women's choice to wear them
    Exactly. You remove their choice and pretend that removing their choice is for their own good. Like a parent does a child. Don't sit there and pretend you're doing women any favors by removing or limiting their choices.


    There's no wrong choice here.
    Apparently there is. Since you want to remove the choice altogether. I mean, we can't let women think for themselves after all.

    So I am a sexist now?
    Do realize that your accusations have became valueless once you have wrongly applied them to promote your argument.
    It is over the top sexist to assume you know better than an entire gender what's best for them and that you should remove or limit their choices in order to "help" them since they are incapable of making the choice themselves. Yeah, it's an extremely sexist attitude. It's the exact same reasoning men had for keeping women from being allowed to vote. "It's for their own good". Ditto for women in the workforce. Ditto for women in the military. ****ing bull****. Same ****ing sexist crap, different day.

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    Re: French law could see fines for burqas

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    Nobody's telling you to wear a Burka, .
    Unfortunately, the same cannot be said for most of those actually wearing one.
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    Re: French law could see fines for burqas

    Quote:
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    If you are wearing a coat in July in Miami or Nice, you are gonna get frisked....
    Problem solved.....

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Fine.

    ..........
    OK, I propose the fine be 10,000 EU per incident.....

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    Re: French law could see fines for burqas

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    Women being abused is women being abused.
    And the frequency is way higher in the Muslim world.
    Are you willing to argue against that statement?
    Oh please.
    Please what?
    Please don't point out when I do not seem to know what I'm talking about?
    So wait.. it's not ALL Muslim women, it's not even MOST Muslim women. It's SOME. That's not "softening" anything up, that's being accurate.
    That's not being accurate since nobody has claimed otherwise.
    I haven't seen anyone saying that all of the Muslim women are being oppressed, I myself was speaking on a frequency.
    It's a small percentage of all Muslim women.
    That's outright being wrong.
    I am willing to argue that the percentage of women who suffer from the consequences of the burqa in the Muslim world is higher than 99%.
    Yeah, clothing choices aren't rights. We should just all wear uniforms. That would stop a vast amount of violence, after all. And no rights would be infringed.
    There is no right to choose what to wear.
    There is the right of choice, that includes everything that a person chooses for his own life.
    Banning the burqa is a minor if near non-existent violation of the right to choice, and I argue that it is a necessary violation.
    Exactly. You remove their choice and pretend that removing their choice is for their own good. Like a parent does a child. Don't sit there and pretend you're doing women any favors by removing or limiting their choices.
    As I said, I couldn't give a damn as to how you choose to label my position.
    Apparently there is. Since you want to remove the choice altogether. I mean, we can't let women think for themselves after all.
    No, we just wish to remove their ability to make one of those choices, and by that, to save them from the negative consequences of each choice.
    Whether it's the oppression in the first choice, the risk of life at the second, or wearing something ugly in the third.
    It is over the top sexist to assume you know better than an entire gender what's best for them and that you should remove or limit their choices in order to "help" them since they are incapable of making the choice themselves. Yeah, it's an extremely sexist attitude. It's the exact same reasoning men had for keeping women from being allowed to vote. "It's for their own good". Ditto for women in the workforce. Ditto for women in the military. ****ing bull****. Same ****ing sexist crap, different day.
    As I said. Valueless.
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    Re: French law could see fines for burqas

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    As I said. Valueless.
    Indeed. Sexism is valueless. As is implementing it into law.

    The arrogance and ignorance of some men in this thread is astounding.

    Do all women in the world a favor, stop "fighting for their rights". The attitudes of people like you set women's civil rights fights back decades.
    Last edited by rivrrat; 01-16-10 at 01:22 PM.

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    Re: French law could see fines for burqas

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    Indeed. Sexism is valueless. As is implementing it into law.

    The arrogance and ignorance of some men in this thread is astounding.

    Do all women in the world a favor, stop "fighting for their rights". The attitudes of people like you set women's civil rights fights back decades.
    I find it hilarious that you honestly believe I'm motivated by Sexism.

    If I'm your version of a Sexist, then it doesn't seem like you know a thing about Sexism.
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    Re: French law could see fines for burqas

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    I find it hilarious that you honestly believe I'm motivated by Sexism.

    If I'm your version of a Sexist, then it doesn't seem like you know a thing about Sexism.
    If this:

    No, we just wish to remove their ability to make one of those choices, and by that, to save them from the negative consequences of each choice
    isn't sexist, I don't know what is.

    You want to 'save' women from a possible negative consequence of a choice by removing their ability to make a choice. And hell, Gardner flat out said they weren't mentally competent to make the choice themselves.

    How can what you guys are saying be construed as anything BUT sexist? Women can't make the choice themselves, they might make the wrong one and experience a "negative consequence". Women can't make the choice themselves because if they choose to wear a burqa, then they're mentally ****ed in the head anyway. We must 'protect' women from their own choices.

    How are those attitudes anything BUT sexist? They're condescending AND sexist. They are the epitome of a sexist attitude. One entire gender can't be allowed to make a choice because they might make the wrong one and they might experience "negative consequences" so you almighty men MUST make the choice for us. Gimme a break. You're treating ALL women like ****ing children and claiming some moral high ground in the process. It's ridiculous.

    And I'm honestly astounded that an otherwise intelligent individual is incapable of seeing it.

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    Re: French law could see fines for burqas

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    Oh give me a ****ing break. They live in western societies with governments that will protect them. If someone did abuse me, I'd have them arrested. If I didn't have them arrested and instead continued to 'obey' them and suffer abuse, well... that would be my choice.
    That is not only wrong, but horribly offensive to the many women who live under the oppressive thumb of their families and are being told that they are only living that way because "it's their choice". The threat of physical, emotional, or sexual violence is enough to keep these women under the veil... and the people who would perform such acts of violence, don't give a sh*t whether or not the government is okay with it.

    Do you really think that honor killings and the like don't happen in Western countries? Because they do.

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    No, his position is based on sexism, arrogance, and misogyny.
    This seems to me kind of like saying that an anti-Obama position is based on racism.

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