View Poll Results: Since reading or participating in the abortion threads

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  • My views have changed to completely against abortion

    2 4.08%
  • My views have change to slightly more against abortion

    6 12.24%
  • My views have not changed at all on abortion

    35 71.43%
  • My views have changed to slightly more in favor of abortion

    2 4.08%
  • My views have changes to completely in favor of abortion

    4 8.16%
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Thread: Why are you here?

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    Re: Why are you here?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chuz Life View Post
    Inspired by this comment by REEFEDJIB in the abortion threads;



    I would like to know if anyone reading this poll have ever changed or moderated their views on the legality of abortion,.... as a result of reading (or participating in) the 'abortion' threads.

    I'm not making the vote public,... your vote will not be seen by others.
    At one time I was okay with abortion if rape or incest was involved or if the baby was going to have some disease or disorder. I do not remember if it was a post from the opposition or someone else that basically changed that view. The logic was brought up that if I truely believe that unborn child is a unborn child or a innocent human being then surely it is not that child's fault that his genetic father raped his mother or that child's parents are possibly from Arkansas and there are millions of people all over the world with diseases and disabilities who are glad to be alive.



    Now I will support laws that ban abortion while making exceptions for rape or incest or some disability or disease, assuming that there is a criminal to be charged with rape and testing done to see if there is any inbreeding or disabilities or diseases. Because those laws are less likely to be struck down with those exceptions in place. But if they passed another law shortly after that does not make exceptions for those things then I would support that law too since it is not putting all your eggs into one basket. So that way if the complete ban is struck down then there is still the ban that allows the exceptions which is better than nothing.
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    Thumbs up Re: Why are you here?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    ,... I will support laws that ban abortion while making exceptions for rape or incest or some disability or disease, assuming that there is a criminal to be charged with rape (that's key!) and testing done to see if there is any inbreeding or disabilities or diseases. Because those laws are less likely to be struck down with those exceptions in place. But if they passed another law shortly after that does not make exceptions for those things then I would support that law too since it is not putting all your eggs into one basket. So that way if the complete ban is struck down then there is still the ban that allows the exceptions which is better than nothing.
    Thanks for your clarity, James...

    I think you and I could both benefit from a very productive debate on the rape exception , however.

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    Re: Why are you here?

    Based on these statistics, we can safely eliminate the abortion forum.
    "He who does not think himself worth saving from poverty and ignorance by his own efforts, will hardly be thought worth the efforts of anybody else." -- Frederick Douglass, Self-Made Men (1872)
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    Exclamation Re: Why are you here?

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Based on these statistics, we can safely eliminate the abortion forum.
    American,... do you honestly believe the poll results reflect the reality?

    If you read some of the comments,.. just from that alone, you can tell that some have completely ignored the poll 'question' and voted on some other premise.

    That said,... if the debates (endless and tiring as they are) save one child?

    It's worth it to me.

    Also, I'm willing to bet that were we to apply the same poll to just about any other thread, we would get essentially the same percentages.

    Few people (if any) join these forums with the intent of changing their own mind.
    Last edited by Chuz Life; 01-12-10 at 02:54 PM.

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    Re: Why are you here?

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Based on these statistics, we can safely eliminate the abortion forum.
    I disagree. I can't read every publication on the planet, so forums like this can be a great source of news I might have missed. I'm here to learn as much as I am here to argue.
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    Question Re: Why are you here?

    Quote Originally Posted by MsRetro View Post
    I disagree. I can't read every publication on the planet, so forums like this can be a great source of news I might have missed. I'm here to learn as much as I am here to argue.
    Mind if we ask how you voted in the poll?

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    Re: Why are you here?

    My views about a women's right to choose abortion have changed over the years.

    Nothing anyone has posted here so far has made me change my views. Still I find it interesting to see all the different ways people look at the same issue.

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    Re: Why are you here?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chuz Life View Post
    Mind if we ask how you voted in the poll?
    As I stated in my first post in this thread, no, participation here has not changed my views.
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    Re: Why are you here?

    None of the options fit my stance very well. My personal views on an "issues" like abortion do not reflect my political views about regulating abortions, especially at a federal level.

    Both my personal views and political views have been altered by threads on the subject here, but neither of them were altered in a way that is reflected by the poll options.

    The answer I give is "yes, my views have been altered, but probably not in a way that most people would readily understand given the emotionally-driven nature of the subject matter".
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    Question Re: Why are you here?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    The answer I give is "yes, my views have been altered, but probably not in a way that most people would readily understand given the emotionally-driven nature of the subject matter".
    There are four yes answers.

    Two for keeping it abortion legal and two against it.

    Is it unwise for me to ask which one you selected?

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