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    Re: Is marriage a right?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rassales View Post
    I don't mind your "civil union only" solution--I think it's a good compromise--but please explain how SSM is forcing some religions to do anything. Just because the state will grant a marriage license to two people, there's no reason that any clergy might not refuse to perform the ceremony and sign the document for them. Rabbis aren't forced to marry Christians. Priests aren't required to marry non-Catholics or others who have not qualified themselves for marriage within the Catholic Church. This happens all the time--churches can marry or not marry whomever they choose, without interference from government, and this has always been the case. If you think this might change, explain how. Otherwise, it's a red herring.
    I am not saying churches would be forced to perform marriages they don't agree with.

    I am saying that the word "marriage" itself has religious connotations for some.
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    Re: Is marriage a right?

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    I am not saying churches would be forced to perform marriages they don't agree with.

    I am saying that the word "marriage" itself has religious connotations for some.
    Maybe, but they don't own the word, and its inclusion in the law has no practical effect on them. It hurts their feelings. Awwww....

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    Re: Is marriage a right?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rassales View Post
    Maybe, but they don't own the word, and its inclusion in the law has no practical effect on them. It hurts their feelings. Awwww....
    Question is, could a good lawyer or team of lawyers argue that the use of the word "marriage" in a law allowing the legal joining of two persons of the same sex violated the laws preventing government from interfering in the workings of religion?
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    Re: Is marriage a right?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    Question is, could a good lawyer or team of lawyers argue that the use of the word "marriage" in a law allowing the legal joining of two persons of the same sex violated the laws preventing government from interfering in the workings of religion?
    No, because the law has no actual bearing on the workings of any church. I think we have to make a distinction here between ACTUAL harm (you know, harms that have some measurable effect) and IMAGINED harms (that's the kind where you use a word I think belongs to me and I hate you for it). The feelings of one group to not outweigh the equal protection of another.

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    Re: Is marriage a right?

    By the way, some very good lawyers are trying just such a case this week in California. It's telling that these lawyers are making no such arguments as you've suggested above. Their tactic is to tie "marriage" to procreation and family rearing--a much more PRACTICAL sort of concern.

    Marriage isn't just for procreation, expert testifies - Sacramento News - Local and Breaking Sacramento News | Sacramento Bee

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    Re: Is marriage a right?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rassales View Post
    By the way, some very good lawyers are trying just such a case this week in California. It's telling that these lawyers are making no such arguments as you've suggested above. Their tactic is to tie "marriage" to procreation and family rearing--a much more PRACTICAL sort of concern.

    Marriage isn't just for procreation, expert testifies - Sacramento News - Local and Breaking Sacramento News | Sacramento Bee
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    Re: Is marriage a right?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rassales View Post
    By the way, some very good lawyers are trying just such a case this week in California. It's telling that these lawyers are making no such arguments as you've suggested above. Their tactic is to tie "marriage" to procreation and family rearing--a much more PRACTICAL sort of concern.

    Marriage isn't just for procreation, expert testifies - Sacramento News - Local and Breaking Sacramento News | Sacramento Bee
    You might want to add the word "yet" to your post. The trial is just begining so it's quite possible that they will still bring it up. Right now it seems like they are just addressing the opening statements at this juncture. This case will no doubt evolve to other areas.

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    Re: Is marriage a right?

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Marriage is for a man and a woman, and everyone else can go to hell. Are we clear now?
    Yes we are... clear that you offered an opinion with not a bit of anything else... which demonstrates nothing. Any questions?
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    Re: Is marriage a right?

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Marriage is for a man and a woman, and everyone else can go to hell. Are we clear now?
    does that mean you and I can never be

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    Re: Is marriage a right?

    Quote Originally Posted by B L Zeebub View Post
    does that mean you and I can never be
    No, unfortunately not. Praise God.
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