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    Re: Is marriage a right?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Marriage is not a right - it is a privilege granted by the state; said privilege can be removed by a simple act of legislature.
    No words from any court can override that fact.
    Given that the right to marriage has been upheld more than once by the supreme court, I imagine that any state tries to do away with marriage would be smacked down by a judge pretty quickly due to the enormous amount of precedent.

    The words of a court tend to be very powerful and can override a lot of things.

    You might not like it, but it is what it is.

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    Re: Is marriage a right?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Meaning you don't want to answer because it would reveal the true absurdity of your position.
    No.... meaning that your post clearly inditcates that you are either not paying attention, or you ARE paying attention and simply choose to play stupid.

    NOTHING in my two positions would lead anyone that is actually paying attention to your conclusion.

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    Re: Is marriage a right?

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    Given that the right to marriage has been upheld more than once by the supreme court, I imagine that any state tries to do away with marriage would be smacked down by a judge pretty quickly due to the enormous amount of precedent.
    I -laughed- at this. No offense intended in that...

    There's nothing that keeps any state from repealing its marriage laws.
    tell me -- on what constitutional basis would such a ruling turn? Can you cite any isntance where a court ruled that a state could not repeal a law?

    And then, aside from the entire issue of the seperation of powers....

    If marriage -is- a right, then the laws regarding marriage are not necessary -- marriage will exist without those laws, and so repealing the laws does nothing to change anything. No court will stop a state from repealing a law when repealing that law has no effect on anyone.

    (The fact that marriage will cease to exist if the laws are repealed necessitate that marriage is a privilege)

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    Re: Is marriage a right?

    1. No state has done it yet, but the moment they tried, they would be sued to get the law to be overturned.

    2. Just because its not in the constitution doesn't mean the right is recognized.

    3. Rights only exist where they are agreed to by society through its established governing institutions. The notion that something is a right outside of established laws, court decisions, regulatory bodies, etc is just wishful thinking. Even the rights in the constitutions are just laws. They happen to be laws in a higher order document, but if the constitution didn't exist, than those rights wouldn't exist.
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    Re: Is marriage a right?

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    1. No state has done it yet, but the moment they tried, they would be sued to get the law to be overturned.
    -On what constitutional basis (state or federal) would such a ruling turn?
    -Can you cite any isntance where a court ruled that a state could not repeal a law?
    2. Just because its not in the constitution doesn't mean the right is recognized.
    Not sure how this applies here...?
    3. Rights only exist where they are agreed to by society through its established governing institutions. The notion that something is a right outside of established laws, court decisions, regulatory bodies, etc is just wishful thinking.
    Again...not sure how this applies here...?

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    Re: Is marriage a right?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    -On what constitutional basis (state or federal) would such a ruling turn?
    -Can you cite any isntance where a court ruled that a state could not repeal a law?

    Not sure how this applies here...?

    Again...not sure how this applies here...?
    I think you and I are looking at this from far too different perspectives and since we both believe we are right, its pretty useless to argue. But good luck with your theories.

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    Re: Is marriage a right?

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    I think you and I are looking at this from far too different perspectives and since we both believe we are right, its pretty useless to argue. But good luck with your theories.
    Interesting response, given all I did was asked you to support your position by describing the constitutional basis upon which any such decision would turn.

    If the court can stop a legislature from passing legislation that repeals a law, why can't it force a legislature to pass a law (to some effect)?

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    Re: Is marriage a right?

    Quote Originally Posted by Voluntary
    I see marriage as nothing more than a contract between two or more people. I believe that people have the right to come voluntarily together and form contracts and when you violate that right, you violate liberty.
    I second this post.
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