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    Re: Is marriage a right?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rassales View Post
    I've explained this twice before in this thread, most recently and explicitly in post #66. But to recap, the Constitution's 14th amendment guarantees that every citizen has a right to be treated equally by the law when it hands out privileges. The word "privilege" is actually IN the amendment. The government cannot grant a privilege to one class of people and not to another.
    And, as -I- have explained:

    All of that is beside that point raised in this thread.

    Is marriage a right?
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    ___ No

    None of what you said addresses that question, or supports either answer.

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    Re: Is marriage a right?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rassales View Post
    I've explained this twice before in this thread, most recently and explicitly in post #66. But to recap, the Constitution's 14th amendment guarantees that every citizen has a right to be treated equally by the law when it hands out privileges. The word "privilege" is actually IN the amendment. The government cannot grant a privilege to one class of people and not to another.
    And, as -I- have explained:

    All of that is beyond the question asked in this thread:

    Is marriage a right?
    ___ Yes
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    None of what you said addresses that question, or supports either answer.

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    Re: Is marriage a right?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    And, as -I- have explained:

    All of that is beyond the question asked in this thread:

    Is marriage a right?
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    None of what you said addresses that question, or supports either answer.
    Sure it does, I'm just explaining how the question is a bit more complicated than the poll allows. It doesn't go beyond the question asked--it fully explains the answer to the question asked. You can't solve a calculus problem with arithmetic. You might as well just define pi = 3.

    Is marriage a right? If its offered to one group, it has to be offered to others. Thus is is a right, because everyone has a right to that privilege.

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    Re: Is marriage a right?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rassales View Post
    Sure it does
    Which answer does it support, and how?

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    Re: Is marriage a right?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Which answer does it support, and how?
    I guess I'll just quote from my last post.
    Quote Originally Posted by Rassales View Post
    Is marriage a right? If its offered to one group, it has to be offered to others. Thus is is a right, because everyone has a right to that privilege.
    QED

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    Re: Is marriage a right?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rassales View Post
    I guess I'll just quote from my last post
    If its offered to one group, it has to be offered to others. Thus is is a right, because everyone has a right to that privilege.
    You do know that you're stating that marriage is both a right and a privilege, right?

    Mariage is a privilege.
    Because you have the right to equal protection, the state may only under certian circumstances discriminate in who it grants that privilege, but it is still a privilege.
    The RIGHT in question here is equal protection, not marriage.

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    Re: Is marriage a right?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Mariage is a privilege. .
    what SCOTUS decision since L vs V supports that position?

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    Re: Is marriage a right?

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    what SCOTUS decision since L vs V supports that position?
    There doesn't need to be one.

    As I have pointed out to you numerous times, and as you have continually refused to address:
    The fact that marriage exists only because it was created by and extended through legislation the state, and therefore can be removed by simply repealing those laws, trumps any statement by any court.

    It is something the state gives you, that you would not -- that you COULD not -- have if it didn't.
    Thus, it is a privilege.

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    Re: Is marriage a right?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    You do know that you're stating that marriage is both a right and a privilege, right?

    Mariage is a privilege.
    Because you have the right to equal protection, the state may only under certian circumstances discriminate in who it grants that privilege, but it is still a privilege.
    The RIGHT in question here is equal protection, not marriage.
    You are making what de Toqueville called "a distinction without a difference." Tell you what--explain to me how the right of equal protection doesn't make marriage a right for the sake of any discussion of contemporary arguments about marriage? When same-sex couples claim they have a "right to marriage," they are actually claim a right to marry based on equal implementation of a privilege. Where is the practical difference?

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    Re: Is marriage a right?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rassales View Post
    You are making what de Toqueville called "a distinction without a difference." Tell you what--explain to me how the right of equal protection doesn't make marriage a right for the sake of any discussion of contemporary arguments about marriage? When same-sex couples claim they have a "right to marriage," they are actually claim a right to marry based on equal implementation of a privilege. Where is the practical difference?
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