View Poll Results: Which is supported more by the US Constitution?

Voters
28. You may not vote on this poll
  • Individual rights.

    27 96.43%
  • Majority rights.

    1 3.57%
Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast
Results 1 to 10 of 11

Thread: Individual rights vs majority rights.

  1. #1
    Global Moderator
    The Truth is out there.
    Kal'Stang's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2009
    Location
    Bonners Ferry ID USA
    Last Seen
    @
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    32,857
    Blog Entries
    1

    Individual rights vs majority rights.

    Which do you think the Constitution of the United States supports more? Individual rights? Or Majority rights? Why?
    I have an answer for everything...you may not like the answer or it may not satisfy your curiosity..but it will still be an answer. ~ Kal'Stang

    My mind and my heart are saying I'm in my twenties. My body is pointing at my mind and heart and laughing its ass off. ~ Kal'Stang

  2. #2
    Klattu Verata Nicto
    LaMidRighter's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2005
    Location
    Louisiana
    Last Seen
    07-21-17 @ 02:42 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian - Right
    Posts
    30,534

    Re: Individual rights vs majority rights.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Which do you think the Constitution of the United States supports more? Individual rights? Or Majority rights? Why?
    Individual rights. The only reasoning is that they were written that way and the founding writings spoke to as much. The Fedalist Papers, The Anti-Federalist Papers, Jefferson's writings, as well as Franklin et. al. all stated that rights were individual as well as inaliable and a large government(a.k.a. majority rule) was not the desired instrument to protect them.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

    LMR

  3. #3
    Sage
    samsmart's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2009
    Last Seen
    @
    Gender
    Lean
    Other
    Posts
    10,316
    Blog Entries
    37

    Re: Individual rights vs majority rights.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Which do you think the Constitution of the United States supports more? Individual rights? Or Majority rights? Why?
    Individual rights. The U.S. supports majority rule but minority protections provided for by the Constitution.

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    Individual rights. The only reasoning is that they were written that way and the founding writings spoke to as much. The Fedalist Papers, The Anti-Federalist Papers, Jefferson's writings, as well as Franklin et. al. all stated that rights were individual as well as inaliable and a large government(a.k.a. majority rule) was not the desired instrument to protect them.
    Large government =/= majority rule. Sometimes it takes a large government to protect all the rights of a people in a nation, such as when the federal government helped end desegregation in the South.

  4. #4
    Klattu Verata Nicto
    LaMidRighter's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2005
    Location
    Louisiana
    Last Seen
    07-21-17 @ 02:42 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian - Right
    Posts
    30,534

    Re: Individual rights vs majority rights.

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    Individual rights. The U.S. supports majority rule but minority protections provided for by the Constitution.
    I think generations that followed dropped the ball on that particular issue. Majority rule is gonna happen, let's not kid ourselves, hower the protections you mentioned are being circumvented or outright ignored by the Washington representation. The idea behind allowing the constitution to be amendable was very brilliant, it should only have happened when a majority of states deferred powers granted constitutionally to them to the federal, the brilliance is that it becomes nearly impossible to get a union of 50 states to sign off a majority opinion unless a situation is critical or an idea is terrific, the big problem was the misinterpretation of the ninth and tenth amendments in the earlier part of the twentieth century and the encroachments that followed.



    Large government =/= majority rule. Sometimes it takes a large government to protect all the rights of a people in a nation, such as when the federal government helped end desegregation in the South.
    To be fair, when I say large government I do not equate that with a scale of power. I firmly believe that the federal was given ultimate authority to uphold the individual rights of the people of a state, which is more than appropriate use of power, segregation, the end of slavery(not the cause of the civil war BTW), copywrite/intellectual property(patent) law, etc. are all fully within the federal's right to protect. When I speak of a large government, I really mean they have assumed powers, authorities, and programs that are beyond the power granted to the federal government and have done so in a less than appropriate way.
    In a way, I both agree and disagree with you on this particular point.
    Last edited by LaMidRighter; 01-09-10 at 09:25 PM. Reason: grammer.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

    LMR

  5. #5
    Banned
    Join Date
    Apr 2008
    Last Seen
    02-23-12 @ 04:17 AM
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    163

    Re: Individual rights vs majority rights.

    What is a majority right?

  6. #6
    Banned
    Join Date
    Sep 2005
    Location
    Chicago
    Last Seen
    04-02-15 @ 06:08 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian
    Posts
    8,211

    Re: Individual rights vs majority rights.

    I don't even believe in the concept of "collective rights". A social collective cannot have rights because it doesn't actually exist, it isn't a tangible entity, rather, it's just an abstract concept. Individuals, however, are real and tangible and can have rights.

  7. #7
    Advisor Rassales's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2009
    Last Seen
    03-08-10 @ 02:23 AM
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    564

    Re: Individual rights vs majority rights.

    Quote Originally Posted by Voluntary View Post
    What is a majority right?
    I think this is the key question. The Constitution says a lot about what the majority may not do to the individual, but it doesn't speak to "majority rights" at all.

  8. #8
    Advisor
    Join Date
    Jan 2010
    Location
    Pennsylvania
    Last Seen
    01-21-10 @ 09:54 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Very Liberal
    Posts
    329

    Re: Individual rights vs majority rights.

    I think its obvious that its intentions are to support individuals.

  9. #9
    Frankernaut peepnklown's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2009
    Location
    California
    Last Seen
    10-16-15 @ 04:01 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian
    Posts
    607

    Re: Individual rights vs majority rights.

    A collective is only a number of individuals; individuals rights my friends.
    'The whole universe is going to die!'

  10. #10
    Global Moderator
    The Truth is out there.
    Kal'Stang's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2009
    Location
    Bonners Ferry ID USA
    Last Seen
    @
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    32,857
    Blog Entries
    1

    Re: Individual rights vs majority rights.

    This thread went pretty much how I thought it would. And I am glad to see it. The reason that I asked such an obviously answerable question is because of gay marriage.

    We've had SOOO many individuals here state unequivocally that the majority of people voted against gay marriage and basically said that is the way that it should be. Because the majority voted to not allow it. It started making me wonder if people actually thought that is how the Constitution worked. Through majority rule.

    My next thread in this section will be asking the next obvious question.
    I have an answer for everything...you may not like the answer or it may not satisfy your curiosity..but it will still be an answer. ~ Kal'Stang

    My mind and my heart are saying I'm in my twenties. My body is pointing at my mind and heart and laughing its ass off. ~ Kal'Stang

Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •