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    Re: Should marijuana be legalized?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    You have it right up to the Mexican cartels part. There is no way they could compete with legal growers in the US, not unless the taxes were extreme.
    Or prices.
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    Re: Should marijuana be legalized?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Or prices.
    Why would prices stay high? If Joe Blow down at the corner market wants to sell pot at outrageous prices, everyone will just go to Moe's down the block. It's called competition and a free market.

    As long as the government stays out if it, doesn't outlaw it or impose outlandish taxes, the free market will see to it that prices stay low.
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    Re: Should marijuana be legalized?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Why would prices stay high? If Joe Blow down at the corner market wants to sell pot at outrageous prices, everyone will just go to Moe's down the block. It's called competition and a free market.

    As long as the government stays out if it, doesn't outlaw it or impose outlandish taxes, the free market will see to it that prices stay low.
    DId the prices in California go down once it became legal for "medical" use?
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    Re: Should marijuana be legalized?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    DId the prices in California go down once it became legal for "medical" use?
    That had excessive governmental control
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    Re: Should marijuana be legalized?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Yes we should legalize it. The punishments for it are extreme.Locking someone up for marijuana amounts to chopping someone's hand off for stealing or executing someone for speeding. Legalizing might increase usage since legality increases access, but its not like trying to legalize hard drugs or certain prescription drugs for recreational use. That said I don't believe for a second that the government can get rich off it in taxes due to the fact many people would be growing it themselves.Nor do I believe that every sick person could smoke a joint or eat some special brownies and be cured of some ailment or be alleviated of pain.I also don't believe it will stop the cartels in Mexico due to the fact the cartels are not going to start allowing competition just because something is legal.
    You said yourself that "many people would be growing it for themselves". This undercuts your belief that it would not stop the cartels. Having said that, there will always be some degree of a black market for it, with legalized distribution though it would reduce this to a shadow of its former self, much like there is still bootleg moonshine, however the illegal alcohol black market is miniscule compared to what it was during prohibition. A substantial reduction of this black market is a good thing, lets let it dwindle and put controls on the vast majority of distribution and take efforts to keep it out of the hands of kids. Sure kids will still be able to get it to some degree, but it would be much more difficult than via a black market distribution which increases availability to children. It is all about mitigation of harm.

    One other point to touch upon regarding the cartels involvement of marijuana, they are dealing for the part in lower grade marijuana, and are willing to take the risks to smuggle it in because of the extremely high profit margin that is to be had. The two crucial keys to get them out of the trade is to offer a superior product at a lower price. Undercut their market and their profit motive and the risks associated will cease to be so attractive to them from a business standpoint. And yes I know there are people who will claim "ohh no! we cannot allow potent pot to flourish", this argument is specious though it does not take into account that people will titrate their dosage, much like someone drinking scotch will consume much less volume than someone drinking beer. With pot (for those concerned with harms others inflict upon themselves) this would equate to less carcinogenic smoke being consumed..instead of smoking multiple bowls or an entire joint or a blunt the user would take a couple of puffs and have the effect desired and call it a buzz. One other point with the potency of marijuana.. why is that pot that has 25% THC is considered such a demonic thing compared to pot that is say 8% while at the same time there is Marinol available by prescription that is 100% THC? Surely this is the most evil of all evils for those adhering to the potency argument.

    There is a fine line that needs to be balanced between price and taxation, the primary strategy needs to be maximization of reduction of the black market distribution coincident with revenue to offset the costs to soceity, namely treatment and education (minus self defeating propaganda arguments). Once the shackles of the monstrosity of a criminal problem we have created and the black market domination have been shed then we can and should focus all of our efforts on tackling the issue of our drug problem minus the distractions. Youth education and prevention is the key to a long term strategy of reducing overall usage.. and legalization can accomplish a reduction of usage rates.

    One final tangential thing I wanted to address here, as far as many people growing it themselves, what the controls on this end up being is a wide open question, what I think would be the appropriate way to go about this is a licensing fee renewable annually. Want to grow your own? fine pay up.. if you do not, then you are potentially facing charges for tax evasion (essentially the same charges bootleggers for alcohol face when busted). Also as part of the licensing requirement, the facility has to be secure to prevent children from poaching and getting their hands on it, which would all but eradicate "hobby" outdoor growing. If someone was to want to grow their own, then it would have to be indoors, or in a secured greenhouse. We need to take steps to make sure kids cannot get their hands on it.. and these steps also need to be taken for commercial production. An unguarded field of marijuana is a wide open invite for kids to get their hands on it illegally.
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    Re: Should marijuana be legalized?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    DId the prices in California go down once it became legal for "medical" use?
    This is a visual answer to your question:
    The Price of Weed, Marijuana, Cannabis - PriceOfWeed.com

    A few other quick links of interest (I just googled "california marijuana prices" and looked at results from the first page):

    Plummeting Marijuana Prices Create A Panic In California : NPR

    Legal pot, under the guise of the California's medical marijuana laws, has spurred a rush of new competition. As a result, the wholesale price of pot grown in these areas is plunging.
    Marijuana Prices In Medical-Pot States Like California At Low, Low Prices (Thanks To Drug Gangs And Mexican Cartels) - Los Angeles News - The Informer

    Those crunchy, Birkenstock-wearing California-haters in Oregon enjoy the lowest pot prices in the country. Weed is $259 an ounce there. In Georgia and Virginia, where medical weed is not legal, bud sells for $452.
    this one is unfortunate since it lends credibility to the argument that the fed can regulate because of interstate commerce:

    California pot sellers pursue higher prices in other states, face arrest | California Watch

    the Golden State’s burgeoning medical marijuana trade has pushed down prices here and prompted growers to seek more lucrative business across the country.
    Another unfortunate link; this one underscores how it is government crackdowns and intervention that can and has led to inflated prices:

    California Marijuana Prices Rising In Wake Of Federal Crackdown

    A crackdown by federal prosecutors is casting a long shadow over the state's marijuana industry, but there is one bright spot, at least for some Northern California growers willing to risk prison time: Wholesale prices appear to be on the rise.

    After slumping precipitously, prices for a pound of high-grade, outdoor-grown marijuana are stabilizing and in some areas are up between 20 and 40 percent, according to interviews with growers, law enforcement agents and analysts.
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    Re: Should marijuana be legalized?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    DId the prices in California go down once it became legal for "medical" use?
    I don't know. I don't buy the stuff.

    I have noticed that the Mexican cartels aren't in the business of killing each other off for the privilege of exporting whiskey into the US. Why might that be?
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    Re: Should marijuana be legalized?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    I don't know. I don't buy the stuff.

    I have noticed that the Mexican cartels aren't in the business of killing each other off for the privilege of exporting whiskey into the US. Why might that be?
    That is completely irrelevant!! We are talking about an illegal substance that people buy and sell under the law and is popular.... oh wait.... this is an exact repeat of the horrible failure of prohibition. LEGALIZE!
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    Re: Should marijuana be legalized?

    Of course, yes.
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    Re: Should marijuana be legalized?

    See the poll results?

    Precisely why we'll never be granted the referendum.

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