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    Re: Should marijuana be legalized?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mensch View Post
    Federal drug laws violate the Tenth Amendment of the U.S. Constitution, unless you're willing to use the commerce clause to have the feds circumvent the Bill of Rights on all matters.

    There is no logical reason to prohibit marijuana, ESPECIALLY on the federal level. State governments should be free to make this decision on their own, but it is absurd to prohibit a seemingly benign substance.
    How so? And if there is no logical reason to prevent dangerous and toxic substances from being legal then why have water treatment plants or food standards? The government can regulate what they deem as unhealthy and make certain things illegal. Our whole medical model is essentially based around the fact that patients are not legally entitled to self treat and must be diagnosed. You can't have legal access to thyroid meds or blood pressure meds largely because it's not healthy for you to have them unsupervised by medical professionals. The government absolutely has the right to regulate and make drugs illegal just like they do with other things they deem to be dangerous or bad for society.
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    Re: Should marijuana be legalized?

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    You know when I was still in the Navy the Chiefs on the ship I was on took a trip over to the Fort Tripler Army hospital..........we visited a ward called the LL ward.........The patients were all drug addicts probably like some of you dopers are.......In one section there was a bunch of kid addicts.......Most of them were so spaced out they did not even know where they were. Some had not even spoken the whole time they were there....The majority of them started on grass and graduated to hard stuff.......It really got my attention and I will never forget it........Put that poison in your body if you like but be prepared for the consequences.......

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    Re: Should marijuana be legalized?

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    You know when I was still in the Navy the Chiefs on the ship I was on took a trip over to the Fort Tripler Army hospital..........we visited a ward called the LL ward.........The patients were all drug addicts probably like some of you dopers are.......In one section there was a bunch of kid addicts.......Most of them were so spaced out they did not even know where they were. Some had not even spoken the whole time they were there....The majority of them started on grass and graduated to hard stuff.......It really got my attention and I will never forget it........Put that poison in your body if you like but be prepared for the consequences.......
    and you know the 'majority' started on pot because you interviewed each and every one of them, right?

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    Re: Should marijuana be legalized?

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    Of course, alcoholics all started with their first beer... and guys that drive get-away cars in bank robberies all had learner permits.... but that opposite is hardly true. Only a small portion of those that have that first beer or first joint end up addicted. If you have addictive behavior, then you may become addicted to addictive things.
    does that thinking make you able to sleep better at night?
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    Re: Should marijuana be legalized?

    Quote Originally Posted by randel View Post
    and you know the 'majority' started on pot because you interviewed each and every one of them, right?
    No the doctors interviewed thweir parents and loved ones......I did not interview anyone but I read several case histories of the young people.......By the way the oldest was 16.....
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    Re: Should marijuana be legalized?

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    No the doctors interviewed thweir parents and loved ones......I did not interview anyone but I read several case histories of the young people.......By the way the oldest was 16.....
    so, everything you 'know', is second hand...and on another note, how did you get ahold of the 'case histories'? also, 'several' isnt necessarily a 'majority'...

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    Re: Should marijuana be legalized?

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    How so? And if there is no logical reason to prevent dangerous and toxic substances from being legal then why have water treatment plants or food standards? The government can regulate what they deem as unhealthy and make certain things illegal. Our whole medical model is essentially based around the fact that patients are not legally entitled to self treat and must be diagnosed. You can't have legal access to thyroid meds or blood pressure meds largely because it's not healthy for you to have them unsupervised by medical professionals. The government absolutely has the right to regulate and make drugs illegal just like they do with other things they deem to be dangerous or bad for society.
    You may one to demand government prohibit everything from alcohol to tobacco to coffee because it is "dangerous or bad for society," but that doesn't change the fact that it is absurd and unconstitutional. This isn't marijuana use vs. water treatment facilities. You're comparing apples to bananas. As for medicinal, you're still coming at the issue from the medical marijuana perspective, whereas I'm arguing the point from a general recreational purpose. If what your logic is followed through, you would have essentially surrendered all rights to any use of almost anything minus rationed organic nutrients.

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    Re: Should marijuana be legalized?

    Quote Originally Posted by randel View Post
    so, everything you 'know', is second hand...and on another note, how did you get ahold of the 'case histories'? also, 'several' isnt necessarily a 'majority'...
    Boy its amazing how you dopers can rationalize putting poison in your body........I don't care what you do but when you get out on the highway spaced out you endanger innocent people, in addition when you crack you car up and don't have any money my taxes have to pay for your care...................A lot is involved when you dopers get high whether you admit it or not.
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    Re: Should marijuana be legalized?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mensch View Post
    You may one to demand government prohibit everything from alcohol to tobacco to coffee because it is "dangerous or bad for society," but that doesn't change the fact that it is absurd and unconstitutional. This isn't marijuana use vs. water treatment facilities. You're comparing apples to bananas. As for medicinal, you're still coming at the issue from the medical marijuana perspective, whereas I'm arguing the point from a general recreational purpose. If what your logic is followed through, you would have essentially surrendered all rights to any use of almost anything minus rationed organic nutrients.
    You don't have a right to all substances under the sun. My reasoning is that drugs like oxycodone, morphine, and others are tightly controlled under the law due to their effects (highs) and abuses (using the medication for a high and not fore treatment). Marijuana is a schedule I drug, which makes it illegal. Oxycodone and others listed are schedule II which means they are legal but tightly controlled. By your logic should people have the right to pick up any schedule II drug and use it for any purpose? What about all medications that are legal only with a prescription? Just because you tack on the word "right" to something really doesn't make it your protected right.
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    Re: Should marijuana be legalized?

    Quote Originally Posted by randel View Post
    so, everything you 'know', is second hand...and on another note, how did you get ahold of the 'case histories'? also, 'several' isnt necessarily a 'majority'...
    We were a group of Chief Petty officers (Senior enlisteds for those who have no clue about the military)........We were suppose to go back to the ship and try impress on the young people how drugs can **** you up and that is what we did.......
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