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    Re: Should marijuana be legalized?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    You don't believe me? What don't you believe?

    Throughout this entire time you haven't not dealt with any argument I've made throughout. You CONTINUE to duck, dodge, and weave. This is not a "personal attack", its dicussing of your arguments and views. Your views are not YOU. Having a stupid view is not the same as being a stupid person.

    You have not once, in this entire thread, actually dealt with my content at all. If you want to debate, then debate. But just throwing out over exaggerations or poor debate tactics like appealing to anecdotal evidence is not debate.



    Wow...you're seriously trying to say that water is worse than marijuana.

    ....just wow.

    Please refer to my post 9 posts up and you'll see my argument against this notion. Just because water overdose, which is EXTREMELY unlikely and almost 99% of the time occurs not due to water but due to some kind of outward activity that combines with it, can cause death does not mean it is more dangerous than Marijuana.

    Put it this way...

    Find all the cases of "Water Drunk in excess + Holding it in for a contest = death" that you can, and I'll find all the "Smokes pot + drives car = death" and lets see whose total is higher.
    You seem to have this aversion to anecdotal rhetoric. People write their congressmen all the time using anecdotes. The congressmen still treat it with respect most of the time. You act like it's the black plague.

    Music is very anecdotal and you can not rufute the persuasiveness or the power of music.

    You would be a hypocrite, I believe, if you said that you never use anecdotes.

    Anecdotes make the world go round.

    Please stop demoralizing my writing style. You are not my teacher.

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    Re: Should marijuana be legalized?

    Quote Originally Posted by roderic View Post
    There is no need for this, specially since the article doesn't actually show how dangerous cannabis is, you still have not produced any statistics or other indications of just how many people are reported to be mentally ill in connection with cannabis.

    I think it's well established that any mind-altering substances may act as a trigger for a latent mental health issue. This makes sense, but I can cite anecdotal evidence of people who refuse to indulge in pot because they have a mental history and know it might unbalance them, and another who has not had this reservation and ended up in psychiatry after a grass and speed binge .
    The "correlation" is not an abstract, academic one, but is observable reality.
    I have no access to up to date statistics that show how many people are reported to be mentally ill in connection with cannabis and you have no statistics that could dispute the proffessors statement.
    Given the choice between believing the learned proffessor and a toker in a debate about legalising cannabis I will ( with all due respect) believe the proffessor.

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    Re: Should marijuana be legalized?

    I think I'll make a pot of coffee and chug a lug it.

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    Re: Should marijuana be legalized?

    Hey angry beaver can I argue with you a while? You have good manners.

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    Re: Should marijuana be legalized?

    Quote Originally Posted by LiberalAvenger View Post
    Hey angry beaver can I argue with you a while? You have good manners.
    No I havent

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    Re: Should marijuana be legalized?

    Quote Originally Posted by roderic View Post
    I think it's well established that any mind-altering substances may act as a trigger for a latent mental health issue.
    Show me.

    This makes sense, but I can cite anecdotal evidence of people who refuse to indulge in pot because they have a mental history and know it might unbalance them, and another who has not had this reservation and ended up in psychiatry after a grass and speed binge.
    The "correlation" is not an abstract, academic one, but is observable reality.
    Correlation means they occurred together, not that one caused the other.

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    Re: Should marijuana be legalized?

    Quote Originally Posted by LiberalAvenger View Post
    You seem to have this aversion to anecdotal rhetoric. People write their congressmen all the time using anecdotes. The congressmen still treat it with respect most of the time. You act like it's the black plague.
    No, anecdotal evidence can help form an opinion on something. However your anecdotal evidence doesn't disprove actual researched evidence, which is what you tried to do.

    If someone goes "Yeah I smoke, I know it is supposed to cause a lot of troubles but I've never experienced any issues breathing so it doesn't bug me" that's them forming an OPINION for themselves based on their anecdotal evidence.

    If however in response to a report saying a recent study showed cigerette smoke increases breathing issues in 75% of smokers and someone goes "That's a lie/bull****/false/not true/biased because I've been smoking for 50 years and I've never had any issue" then I find THAT worthless because rather than founding an opinion on anecdotal evidence they're attempting to invalidate actual, factual, tested, information based on nothing but their own first hand experience. You're free to do it, its just dumb to do it.

    Also, a difference. Your congressman needs your vote. Your congressmans job is to represent you. I'm not your congressman. I'm a member of a debate site trying to debate and issue. Part of debating IS dealing with fallacies, of which using anecdotal evidence as if its unquestionable factual evidence to invalidate studies is one.

    Music is very anecdotal and you can not rufute the persuasiveness or the power of music.
    I don't even know what in the world you're trying to say here.

    You would be a hypocrite, I believe, if you said that you never use anecdotes.
    Oh no, no no no. I've never said I don't use anecdotals. I definitely use anecdotals. However I rarely couch my entire argument, if I'm trying to make assertions and not just state opinions, on anecdotal alone. I look at historical precedence, I look for studies, I try to look for analagous situations and compare, all along with anecdotal. I've never said I don't use anecdotal. However what I don't do is use a piece of anecdotal evidence to claim someone elses study they posted is false or invalid. And also what I don't do is generally act like my anecdotal evidence is massively greater than other peoples anecdotal.

    Please stop demoralizing my writing style. You are not my teacher.
    Its not your writing style. I don't care about your writing style. I've not touched it at all. The only person that has said anything about writing style was you, when instead of discussing the context of my post you decided to comment that I said "take marijuana" instead of "smoke marijuana".

    What I have spoken of is your debate tactics, because that's all you've given me to discuss in regards to this debate, because you refuse to do anything more it seems than duck and dodge around the actual issues at hand.

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    Re: Should marijuana be legalized?

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    Show me.
    Hold on, I'm confused.

    Are you arguing that marijuana can't just up and by itself cause mental issues....or are you arguing not only that, but it doesn't have the potential to act as a sort of trigger or accelerant for some mental issues in some people predisposed to said issues?

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    Re: Should marijuana be legalized?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Hold on, I'm confused.

    Are you arguing that marijuana can't just up and by itself cause mental issues....or are you arguing not only that, but it doesn't have the potential to act as a sort of trigger or accelerant for some mental issues in some people predisposed to said issues?
    I am questioning whether pot smoking can be a trigger for pre-existing mental illness.

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    Re: Should marijuana be legalized?

    Quote Originally Posted by angrybeaver View Post
    No I havent
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